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  2. GreenLightGo

    Photographers in British Speedway

    Totally agree with you.
  3. Very pleased to read how good the racing was last night. It proves that the track can still produce the quality racing we are used to at the EOS. It's just a matter of preparing it properly.
  4. Aces51

    Photographers in British Speedway

    I have been impressed with some of his photographs. I have no idea if you have to be 18 to get a pass but it would seem odd if that is true when you can race when as young as 15. Equally, I can understand older photographers feeling aggrieved if they feel that a competitor is getting an unfair advantage because of his connections. However, you don't deal with that by bullying the person concerned. You deal with it by taking the matter up with those you feel are allowing what you perceive to be unfair competition.
  5. JeremyCorbynFan

    Peterborough vs Poole 23/05/19 Premiership

    Without Hans in them. In my opinion, Crump wouldn't have scored as heavily in the first four rounds, if Hans was riding.
  6. GreenLightGo

    Photographers in British Speedway

    Interesting but with respect irrelevant. You are trying to establish cause for the behaviour but you don’t know. Unless of course you are one of the magnificent 7.. If the reason for their behaviour is that someone has been given a card illegally then it doesn’t excuse what they are doing one bit. Their protestations should go to the BSPA. Can you share where you obtained the information about having to be 18 because you are suggesting Nigel Pearson is engaging the services of someone under the correct age and that the issuer of the cards is breaking their own rules. Both pretty serious. i really can’t see either party above taking a huge risk because if anything happens to the kid on the track wouldn’t there be an insurance liability? And wouldn’t that be void if rules were broken? (I confess I don’t really know the insurance issues for staff etc) BUT still doesn’t excuse their behaviour does it?
  7. jenga

    Newcastle 2019

    it will not be long until they have to include all meetings (inc challenge ), so they have a rolling average of twenty meetings over the season . prob even guest bookings !
  8. iris123

    Photographers in British Speedway

    Is this a fact or an opinion I ask because I think I have seen statements before (maybe even from Steve Hone, who has posted here) that at least the Star didn't want new ideas or angles etc.... Seems a few points have cropped up. No 1 is he under age and is getting some big advantage he really shouldn't be getting? His father could be held responsible for putting the lad in this position he really shouldn't be in if a pass should only be issued to 18 year olds or over The other thing that bugs me, just on the surface as I don't know all the details, is why the fuss about him and nowt about the young woman at Berwick ? And tbh I get fed up quite quickly with all these strange pics with HD or the dark framing around the edges or taking pics from ground level.......
  9. Tsunami

    Newcastle 2019

    Still 20 meetings, I believe.
  10. Richard Weston

    Leicester NL 2019

    But did you read the unwritten rules or discover the rules hidden by invisible ink?
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  12. Yes couldn't see how Crump could lose it that year .
  13. ruffdiamond

    Newcastle 2019

    Hmmm,,,, interesting
  14. Richard Weston

    Photographers in British Speedway

    The reason the speedway media and elsewhere go for his photos is that he does different; different angles, different viewpoints -- brings a whole new thought process to the job. Some of the old toggers have been churning out the same old, same old, same old shots for years. Boring - might as well take photos from the files. They are being shown up for their lack of drive/initiative and don't like it.
  15. leander

    Newcastle 2019

    The cut-off date is the 23rd of each month, so Newcastle have had 4 fixtures since the 23rd of April (Leicester Home and Away and Glasgow Home and Away). Riders will drop their oldest four match scores from last season to be replaced with the latest four. I've lost track of how many matches are included in the rolling averages. It depends how the scores/rides that are dropped compared to scores/rides added as to whether the average will go up or down.
  16. Crump was already coasting at that point, consolidated in the next two and got the sun lounger out for the remainder when Andersen also started to tail off. Whether he'd have beaten Crump over the full series I doubt, but he might. Crump's record in the SGP suggests you're barking but entitled to your opinion.
  17. If bullying is happening yes it is wrong. I asked a question last week having heard about this but unfortunately did not get an answer so I did a bit of investigating. To get a llicence to take photographs you need to be 18. Is the problem that some object to strings being pulled for someone under that age to take photographs at tracks?
  18. JeremyCorbynFan

    Peterborough vs Poole 23/05/19 Premiership

    How can you use those first results when Hans wasn't riding in those meetings? It's not a like for like comparison.
  19. Gross misuse and manipulation of data You simply throw away Crump's results in the first 4 GP s.
  20. iris123

    Photographers in British Speedway

    In a way I think if we had the same situation in our work place the reaction would also be negative. It might not be bullying, but I have had situations when starting a job when someone has said they wouldn't tell me all they know, they had to find out for themselves so I would have to as well. Or someone actually said he was going to go slow(on London Buses that was) and put the blame on me being inexperienced.....so if a youngster comes along with all the gear and people are pulling strings all over the place I can understand people are well peeved. That shouldn't end in any sort of bullying though
  21. JeremyCorbynFan

    Peterborough vs Poole 23/05/19 Premiership

    What are you on about? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Speedway_Grand_Prix The final standings don't lie. Hans averaged 16.83 in the series, Crump's average in the same rounds that Hans rode in was 15.5. Hans missed the first four rounds, yet still racked up over 100 points.
  22. GreenLightGo

    Photographers in British Speedway

    Interesting points you make. Glad you end your post the way you did. If you’re good enough then you’re old enough. It seems his work has made the national newspapers with both speedway and in darts. Would they accept his pictures if they weren’t of the highest quality? I think he already has a pretty good track record at least the editors of the big national newspapers seem to think so. This story is simple. A lot of 50/60 year old photographers have seen a 17 year old surpass what has taken them years to get to and they don’t like it one bit. Instead of being mature and having a grown up discussion, they started to bully him. i find it hugely ironic that the sport and its fans loves to see a teenage sensation on track beating the regular guys. But not if you’re a photographer.
  23. Should be an interesting meeting, keen to see how List and McDonald get on.
  24. iris123

    Photographers in British Speedway

    It is all quite weird. Of course we can't see the comments any more as they have been deleted. As I know one of the photographers mentioned it seems very surprising he is involved in 'bullying'. I do know that he certainly has moved with the times as he showed me all his mobile equipment a number of years back where he could edit and send pics off from the track. It is also surprising at first that speedway media are using a young untried photographer as I had the feeling tried and tested was preferred. Someone who people know is reliable and has done the job for years and will generally always turn up and produce. Obviously taking a big chance using someone who has no track record and you don't know if he will find something else to do in a year or so.....and you have p'd off others. Then of course you see the name Lanning and some of it comes into place. I did see a few pics online recently and thought 'ah ha'...... The thing is a couple of months ago a young lady at I think Berwick was also taking pics and was pretty good and then a fuss was kicked up and it seems she was stopped. Of course she isn't a 'Lanning' and so it all blew over very quickly so it seemed to me at least Bullying should never be tolerated, but hard to comment when we don't seem to know the whole story
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