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Not to mention in a higher calibre field..

No, the top 8 qualify virtue of finishing in the top 8.

There isn't the remotest slightest chance of that happening.

You hate the qualifying route? You must have hated the World Final for years then!

Ricky Kling another.

Nigel Pearson has tweeted Wolves are making a temporary signing today... and a permanent signing on Thursday. Any ideas?

Why this obsession that you should gain something extra for reaching the final? You HAVE gained extra by scoring more in the semi..

Don't buy into this no opportunity. If they are good enough, they'll get a place. Didn't take a young lad like Stefan Nielsen long to find himself a team place... just one example. I agree it would make it easier if foreign riders had to keep their assessed average if they didn't hit it though.

Not really.. Hampel got round because Nicki, quite literally, dropped the anchors round 1 and 2 to block Ward.

It's so wide open this year, will be exciting. How much have the old boys got left. Will ward take the series by storm.. Can iversen show the form of last year... Will Lindback continue where he left of... And can anyone beat Bunyan...

Good man Sidney, let's move on fella and enjoy the action.

It is fun WK.. Everyone is calm, bar Sidney it seems.. 5.5 hours to go to some top quality speedway action

There's only one person ranting Sidney... perhaps you're just talking to yourself again here... it is the first sign and all that

If we knew what your opinion was, it might help. Sadly it changes as often as the sun sets. You can't even seem to decide if we have opinions or not. One post you are ranting that we are trying to force our opinion on to you and that we are saying that only our opinion is right..... the next you're ranting we haven't got an opinion and we have no conviction to have one! Now, why don't you calm down, go make yourself a cuppa, stop randomly abusing people for no apparent reason and look forward to the 1st GP later tonight.

Sidney, try and make a post without abusing someone. Also, if you wish to be taken seriously, let's have some consistency in your points. I can clearly remember on another thread not so long ago you ranting and raving that there were no young riders in the sport to replace the old guard.... now all of a sudden you're ranting on that these young riders (who you dismissed when we mentioned them) are already world class... This confuses me... as you tell us that results/averages etc have no bearing in your opinion of how good a rider is.. you have this 'gift' of just spotting a rider.. seems that gift had failed you this time last year and now its funnily enough a select few 'results' that have made you decide they are World Class....

So MJJ's 0 0 0 0 0 would have got him to a World Final would it?

Sidney, Nobody has abused GRW. Pointing out that someone is making incorrect statements, is not abusing anyone, its educating. It's sad to say that the only abuse and childish behaviour on this thread has come from yourself and GRW, the very two people stamping their feet and complaining about it. You've gone round in circles so many times on the thread its unbelievable.

They did get the chance. MJJ scored 0 0 0 0 0 in the final qualifying round.

Simply examples of riders who are above, well above, where Janowski and MJJ are at the moment Sidney. There are others too.

I'm glad you think GRW made me look like a mug Sidney, if that makes you feel better and helps you sleep at night, that's good. Trying to get my head around the 'are they bothered about the EL'.. 'world class'.. and they 'do their best'... forgive me.. but if a 'world class' rider was 'doing their best' in the EL they'd be better than a 6pt rider. I guess you have a lower definition of World Class. I would class World class as someone at the top of the sport, near the top in the leagues they ride in and succesful at individual level. Greg Hancock, Chris Holder, Darcy Ward, Nicki Pedersen.. Jason Crump before he retired. Those are riders I would class as World Class. MJJ and Magic have the potential to be as good but are someway below them just now. They are not consistent enough to be labelled as 'World Class' at this point in time.

One moment you are telling us how low quality the EL is. The next you are banging on about World Class riders, who just happen to be third heat leader/2nd strings in this 'low quality EL'. One moment you are telling us to forget averages, winning races etc as a way to judge a rider.. you just judge them on what you see 'live'.. The next you're banging on to forget their performance in the EL (which is what you'll have seen) and look at their cv's, their history etc.. which funnily enough is impressive because of the races they've won.. which funnily enough is how I have been saying good riders are judged all along. GRW didn't make me look like a mug, you are the only person who thinks that. He's made a series of ridiculous statements and thrown his toys out the pram, stamped his feet and run off when they were highlighted. My views have remained consistent throughout the entire debate, however I also acknowledge when I learn things. I wasn't aware that Chris Morton was consistently in the top 10 in the BL averages quite as often as he was, I thought he was in the 10-20 bracket. I didn't throw my toys out my pram and call people fools when that was highlighted to me. I didn't claim that it wasn't a fact, just that persons opinion, I took it on board like an intelligent person would. Regarding MJJ, no I don't class him as World Class yet. On his day he can beat the best, but he is not yet consistent enough to be classed as a World Class rider in my eyes. 6.90 average in Sweden, 6.50 in Poland, 6.54 in the UK show he has a way to go yet to enter the top echelon of riders. I'm sure he will get there. Janowski is fairly similar. 5.70 average in Sweden, 6.69 in Poland, 6.13 in the UK.

Sidney, you're tying yourself in knots and defeating your own arguments.

Never mind that, who are the commentators?

No arguments on that score whatsoever Iris.