BWitcher

Aha! Finally someone else sees the obvious, the massive difference in Klindts scoring when on the outside gates compared to the inside gates. Yet nobody bothered to question the team manager over why he didn't take advantage of that.

Screen scored paid double figures from 4 riders in his DEBUT aged 16.

A fallacy.

If ever evidence was needed that Russell is wrong, here it is. Meanwhile, as I posted earlier and seems to have garnered a record number of likes, the TV negotiations should be IRRELEVANT. Set the leagues at a level the clubs can afford. If a tv company wants to show it, fair enough, any money gained from that should be invested into the sports future.

Interesting Starman, you have already admitted that the worst GB rider available as the 4th rider is better than Gino Manzares. I'm waiting on your response of who is better.. Ricky Wells or any of these Harris/King/Cook/Barker? I'll save you the trouble of answering. You know as well as I do that Wells is not as good as any of those. Neither is Ryan Fisher. So the USA's 2nd,3rd and 4th member of the team are NOT AS GOOD as GB's 4th rider. Which leaves us with one other.. ah yes, the World Champion. So, as its 'all about how good the riders are', we can clearly see the GB riders are better than the USA riders... yet we lost, so the blame lies elsewhere.. Middleditch.

Let's not rush things. One question at a time or Starman gets a little overwhelmed.

The more I read, the more I come to the conclusion the problem doesn't lie with BSI who go about their business in a professional manner. The problem lies with Polish speedway. We know many of the owners are, shall we say, not entirely reputable with links to certain organisations. They are used to bullying to get what they want. Indeed we only have to look at the recent Polish Playoffs to see an example of that. Haven't they already tried to throw a spanner in the GP works with their "1 GP rider per team" rule, which they were soon forced to back down from.

Ok so you admit. Gino Manzares is not better. How about Ricky Wells. Is he better than King/Barker/Cook?

You haven't explained anything. It's a simple question. Is Gino Manzares a better rider than any of (giving you a choice here) King/Barker or Cook? Simple question Starman. Yes or No.

What is your point? That Gino Manzares is a better rider than any of Danny King/Ben Barker/Craig Cook etc?

I'm assuming this line can only be painted using the official patented paint supplied by Barry Briggs?

I don't see why we need to wait for any Sky negotiations at all. Sort the leagues out so they can all run within their budgets WITHOUT tv money. If Sky, or another company subsequently come on board then that is a bonus and that money should be used towards the future of the sport.

I'm not applying for the job, so once again an irrelevant answer. The facts are, Middleditch presided over one of the most embarassing results in the history of British Speedway.

Nice try, but no it doesn't. Morris was there to work for Middleditch. I'm sure he will have ideas of his own if given the chance.

I've attended hundreds of football matches, including many 2nd legs and never has the stadium announcer announced the 1st leg score before the game. I also find it hard to believe that the 1st leg score could not be found on any internet site either. It would be on the BSPA official site, speedway updates to name just two. As for your split-personality issue, its quite easy to have a different IP address. As I said before, you make some decent points but ruin it somewhat by the 'double post'.

Bridget whoops.. but we'll stick with it! Billy Hamill/Steve Evans didn't race the bikes for the USA either but they were an integral part of their team finishing higher than a far stronger UK team.

So once again a load of waffle and no answer of the question. How about you give us the pedigree of fisher, wells and manzares and explain just how they are better than Harris, cook,barker,king, Bridget etc. You are utterly, utterly wrong in your statement that we do not have the same depth of rider. This has been PROVEN to you and any sensible adult would admit that.

IF Proctor had maintained his form, nobody would have got near them. He was averaging almost 9 per match (not from reserve either). All ifs and buts.

Why has the same person created two usernames to make effectively the same post? Or are we to believe that 'Bradford Hawk' and 'Screen Machine' are different people. There's some reasonable points in there, however it serves no purpose by not naming the tracks. As for 'not knowing what is needed' to progress in the playoffs? I'm very confused by this, you will need to explain more. If its a two-legged match (you mentioned 2nd leg) then you simply have to win by more than the other team did in the 1st leg... not entirely sure what is complicated about that. Perhaps it was in the PL playoffs where there is a group system (you don't make this clear)? Even then it's pretty irrelevant to speedways main problems. If you attend a football match they don't announce before the match you need to win by 'this amount' to go through, or to finish in a certain place in the league.

And the USA? How many creditable riders do they have in their line-up? This is a country that BEAT us, so rather than make me 'clueless' it is actually very relevant to your claim that nobody could do better. Now it's a simple question and one which you are refusing to answer isn't it.

And whose job is it to instill the PMA into the riders? Oh yes, the team manager.

We have worked it out, do explain to us how you feel the USA team is better. Here's a simple reality check for you. Woffinden is better than Hancock, although given Greg's experience etc we'll call that an equal match. Harris is better than Fisher. Barker is better than Wells And any GB rider is WAY above Manzares. So why did we lose to them? Quite simply, they were motivated by a passionate management team. Tai Woffinden was supposedly not good enough to compete in the GP either. However he chose not to take that attitude.

What penny? Tai Woffiden Chris Harris Ben Barker Lewis Bridger Craig Cook Danny King Pick 4 of those to beat this team.. Greg Hancock, Ryan Fisher, Ricky Wells, Gino Manzares.

It's precisely this attitude which will see the team go nowhere. Did you see the USA take such an attitude? They set goals, lofty goals, some even laughed at them due to the set of riders they had available. But lo and behold, they hit them and in some cases even exceeded. Why? Because they had a proper enthusiastic inspirational management team behind them who don't hide behind the "We haven't got enough riders" excuse.

Exactly.. kind of a conflicting argument put forward by Ghostwalker.