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EXCUSE me but that's exactly what you said. You have overheard riders talking about committing a serious assault on another rider. You do know that what you told us about is a criminal offence? What Pedersen does is hard/dirty riding and it's for the authorities to sort that out. But to tell us riders are considering fencing Nicki is a disgrace. In your silly attempts to show off to the forum you have overstepped a mark. First you should not be sharing information like this with people you don't know. Secondly you betray the confidences that riders expect of you by relaying their tittle tattle in the pits about Nicki Pedersen to a silly message board. Thirdly you are a party to knowledge of a possible criminal offence. If anything bad happens to Pedersen what are we to think? Because you have shared this with us. Perhaps it is just bluster from riders who are fed up of Nicki's dirty riding but perhaps it isn't. What you should have done is maybe mentioned that these rumblings were going on in the pits to somebody in authority who could maybe settle things down by getting them all together and trying to stop it going any further and perhaps also calming Nicki down a bit. You have more idea about that stuff than I have. Also what you should have done is not opened your mouth about this. We don't need to know this stuff. I find it very disturbing that someone of your 'stature' would do something as stupid as mention that Pedersen is in danger of being deliberately fenced. You are a fool and next time you have any juicy tidbits from the pits it might pay you to respect the confidence of the riders by zipping it

Not at all. Compared to what Rising did it's nothing. He just revealed something really serious to a bunch of people he did not know from Adam. It's the stupidest thing anyone has ever written here. We now know that someone is planning to assault Nicki Pedersen and that is more information than I ever wanted here. Incredible piece of stupidity that beggars belief.

Not at all. I don't care a jot for the bloke in question and what I respect and disrespect is for me to decide. Yes he has all this inside information but this particular instance shows what a fool he really is. In his quest to impress us he reveals private conversations from riders that he has heard riders discuss fencing Nicki Pedersen. Now that is not just a bit of a laugh but a serious crime depending how Nicki would come out of the fencing. Seriously injured then it would be assault. Dead it would then move into the realm of manslaughter or even murder. Riders conspiring to commit such an act would also be drawn into it. Of course accidents happen all the time but due to this big mouthed pillock we now know there is a conspiracy to do harm to Nicki Pedersen by his fellow GP riders. That is something that should NEVER in ANY circumstances have been placed on a forum like this. This fool is now privy to that conspiracy and has told God knows how many people that this conspiracy exists. I have met some idiots in my time but this bloke would be elected King by them if they ever got together. The last thing I wanted to know on this forum was that riders may be planning to fence Nicki Pedersen as it is none of my business and anyone overhearing such a thing should do all he can to ensure it is reported to the Speedway authorities before it goes any further along with the names of those involved. What will I think next time Nicki ends up in the fence and is carted away in an ambulance. He should have kept his big mouth shut and riders now need to beware before imparting any private information to this bloke. I think it is the most disgraceful post I have ever seen on this forum.

I love watching Nicki on the TV leagues in Poland, Sweden and Denmark he is a great rider and exciting to watch. I like watching Greg too but he is not as much a draw as Nicki. I am sure someone likes Nicki and that Greg is not universally liked by all speedway fans. he is a nice bloke and comes across well on TV whilst Nicki blames everybody and never accepts he did wrong but I would argue Nicki puts more bums on seats than Greg but have no basis to prove that of course anymore than those who argue the opposite

That was funny They would NEVER have gotten that on QOS I like Greg a lot and can't abide Nicki but the bigger crime was Greg's and he should have been punished properly for it. Hopefully things will have calmed down for Cardiff as we don't want to see the retribution scenario that idiot Rising was babbling on about. If Nicki gets injured at Cardiff because of someone taking revenge or simply an innocent racing incident as you said his foolish boast will come back to haunt him. One thing is certain a lot of people will be waiting with interest for the next time they race together. It's a bit like when Jack Millen came to town. A bit of niggle is good for the sport as long as nobody takes it too far. Hancock made a dick of himself and if he watches the replay will realise that it was not that bad in the scheme of things and a bit of an over reaction from him. Or maybe he won't. Cardiff will be very interesting with the potential for 3 clashes of Hancock/Pedersen. Should be a lively couple of hours.

Perhaps he failed to hydrate We have all been there

Of course he didn't because he did not expect the mad sod to do a flying tackle on him. :) I think this was a great thread as Grand Central said it's the most interesting thing Greg has done in years. I think the guy is great but I still think he should get a ban as that is not on at all. Even though I admit to a chuckle when I first saw it Nicki is a nugget but he is not as bad as portrayed here and that fool Rising trying to insinuate he was privy to riders threatening to fence Nicki shows that such threads attract all kinds of crackpots. I can't stand the sod but I don't wish him any ill. I also admit I would laugh if someone jawed him at Cardiff (as long as he was not on his bike) but that is as far as my hypocrisy goes on that score and they would have to catch him first.

That's not what cowardly means although there was indeed an element of that in what Greg did. He did not have the courage to let Pedersen get off his bike and then punch the little git. The Pedersen sort of cowardice is that he does tricks like that and then runs away and hides behind his crew like a little girl. A man would have said get off the bike take off the helmet and get ready to go to hospital. A coward would have done what Greg did.

Well it was pretty cowardly as Pedersen was riding a bike at the time and probably expected some verbals not a flying tackle. Nicki is a gutless individual so waiting till he dismounted then planting one in his face would be a lot less cowardly than jumping him whilst he was still on his bike. And to be honest then your logic can be turned around that Greg knew what was coming when Nicki got inside of him but that does not excuse Pedersen for his dirty riding. If you can't see past the personalities and the fact the American committed the worst offence then fine I can't abide Pedersen and like Greg a lot but what Greg did was cowardly as it was indeed a sneak attack as Nicki probably expected some shouting and fist waving then he would have sped off and hid behind his pit crew for a bit of smirking.

What a load of cobblers you talk for one who has an esteemed position on the forum. Nicki did not fence Greg. That was the Swede last Thursday who you seem to be OK with. Nicki pulled a hard move on Greg which in the scheme of things was pretty mild compared to some he and others have pulled. Hancock went mental and committed one of the most cowardly acts I have seen on a speedway track and you do not even criticise as he seems to have every right to do that. I would rather not see riders fence anybody and would rather not see retribution taken out in the pits either. The sport is dangerous enough. So would it have been fine if Belousov kneecapped Sundstrom in the pits after he was fenced or perhaps some of Hampels team jump him in the car park and beat the tar out of him? Of course not and your retribution babblings reflect very poorly on you. Pedersen is a coward and if anyone faces him down he runs for his pit team. Beating up or running such a coward into the fence would achieve nothing. There will still be dirty riders. The authorities need to sort out a stance to this kind of riding and implement it to ALL regardless of reputation. As The Return said years back now the WHAT is important not the WHO. But Hancock committed the far greater offence and should have received a ban. That one is so clear cut. I wonder what stance the Star will take on this and who will be portrayed as the villain of the piece. Actually I don't because we already know

Perhaps he was coming round to see how Greg was and offer an apology and a lift back to the pits? We will never know now as Greg decided to flatten him whilst still in motion

Hancock's views may well be prevalent in your circle but Nicki is hardly the only culprit. You seem to be coming out against Nicki but his action on Tuesday was hardly the worst of it's kind and why don't you criticise Sundstrom for deliberately fencing Belousov? Your support of off track retribution is disturbing. It may well happen from time to time but it's rather unsavoury and someone of your supposed 'stature' should not be promoting it Nicki did not invent hard/dirty riding and it's a different era now with a lot more professionalism in the sport. 30/40 years ago Nicki would not dare do what he does today as someone would have wrapped his bike around his head. Of course like some football players he has a reputation and sometimes it works against him. I have seen him excluded when replays showed he was an innocent party. We know now he is not the hard man we thought he was and is a bit of a coward but he does not do stuff like that EVERY meeting and there are others who do the same thing from time to time. Even Hancock has ridden hard against people in his time. As The Return said it should not be the WHO but the WHAT that is considered and then judged. Your mate Hancock committed the far greater crime on Tuesday and should be banned for it. Regardless of provocation that is a No-No on a speedway track. An even more cowardly act than Pedersen's as Nicki had no chance to defend himself. Hancock is a role model. I happen to like Greg and don't like Nicki. But Greg was the villain in Tuesdays pantomime and it is him that should be coming in for criticism to a far greater degree than Nicki. Hence the thread title! It's for the authorities to address this kind of hard riding and come up with a solution that is applied to ALL not just Nicki Pedersen. That is what you and your ilk should be peddling not sticking up for Greg and having a go at Nicki.

Your thread title was just right and this alteration makes it a completely different thread.

I get the niggling feeling that YOU are not taking this at all seriously?

A ban for Hancock for what he did. That is clear cut. They can't allow that. The Pedersen incident is a different thing altogether and as someone said before opens a can of worms. Can they ban Pedersen and if so he can put forward a defence that he is not the only culprit. They can hardly turn a blind eye to the likes of Sundstrom who committed a greater offence last Thursday fencing the Russian and ending Jarek Hampels year. Picking on Nicki even if he is a cowardly rider is not an option. Same rules must apply to everyone. As The Return said it's not the WHO but the WHAT. Best of luck officials with that one

No it's Kim Jong Un who does that to anyone who falls asleep when he rabbits on That bit was overkill. We all know Nicki is 2 slices of bread short of a sandwich. It was the right thing to apologise but the rest was tittle tattle and trying to excuse his actions which was not so good. Throw a rider out of a meeting. It's been done before. Then add a weeks ban from racing which will hit them in the pocket and give them time to consider what they have done. The speedway equivalent of sitting in the naughty corner as some of them act like kids.

What did he think Nicki was going to do? Pull a gun out of his kevlars Fair point

OK got to give Greg some credit for having the guts to apologise for his completely out of character and also out of order reaction to one of Pedersen's trade mark moves. Unlike some other speedway rider whose name escapes me at the moment :) He accepted what he did was wrong and said sorry. That's fine with me but I still think Greg deserves a ban as his excuses for his actions cannot stand up as a defence. Not a lengthy one but a ban nonetheless. Nicki being a coward is old news now after the Zagar incident when he wet his pants. He is no hard man just a rider who acts hard on the track but scuttles back into his pit area where he can laugh and sneer from the safety of his pit crew. Its something speedway refs should deal with as a body especially when they have the technology to see in slow motion. Thursdays fencing of Belousov was a no brainer but the ref still got it wrong which shows how inconsistent they are even with all this new technology there is a long way to go. Nicki should be punished but is there a facility to do such a thing? Greg's is clear cut. You cannot allow that and people saying it was handbags.......sorry folks but that was a bloody dangerous and stupid thing to do. Jaw Pedersen when he dismounts that would be fine and a fitting punishment for such a cowardly rider. Greg should have received a racing ban and not a slap on the wrist. His crime was way worse than the snivelling little Danish coward

You make a good point. This is a good thread. Well done to the OP for setting it in motion. He/She has certainly given us a lot of food for thought.

Speak your mind by all means but it sometimes is best to use it BEFORE you open your mouth. Not getting at you just an observation and a friendly bit of advice Also loved your work on Sunday night

When in a hole best to stop digging. I get what you mean but you choose rather an unfortunate way of saying it Seen too many riders get injured to wish any form of injury on another no matter how despicable they are.

There is a lot of nonsense being talked here about who knocked who off and who rides hard against who and who doesn't. I saw real hard men (not preening pansies like Nicki Pedersen) such as 'Mad' (the clue is in the name) Jack Millen, Arthur Browning and Vaclav Verner ride speedway and they rode hard and courted lots of controversy BUT that was a wild period when riders were part time and drank after meetings with fans and even got into fights with them. We have left all that behind in favour of a more professional sport with full time riders racing all over Europe AND what Greg did cannot be tolerated. If the next person who does that kills a rider or puts him in a wheelchair then the blame rest solely with whoever decided to give Greg a paltry fine. As someone said Richard Hall was banned for kicking a prone Josh Auty and rightly so. Greg's crime was worse than that. As The Return said in the most sensible post on this thread. The WHO does not matter a damn just the WHAT! But I firmly believe that this was not applied when Greg got a tiny fine. Greg has a good reputation and is a really nice man and before this a credit to the sport. This I believe stood in his favour and it should not have. What if a rider was behind Nicki when Greg went insane and injured one of them or was injured themselves? Of course it did not happen but Greg never looked to see anyway and just went full on mental. A BAN is the only punishment that should have been considered and only then should previous good conduct be applied to the length of the ban. A couple of weeks would send a message a couple of months even more to both the culprit and anyone else who wants to jump on Nicki Pedersen's bike while he is sitting on it. Greg committed a really serious offence instead of the time honoured tradition of waiting till the rider dismounts and then giving a good thumping. Nicki Pedersen is a cowardly d#ckhead but Greg Hancock in this case was a lot worse

Cheers for that correction I was thinking Linback and Sundstrom at the same time Just got back from Download Festival on Monday night so am still rather tired and my brain full of heavy rock. That's why I could not be bothered watching the British Final and the Swedish meet We all try to stick up for our favourites but Sundstrom and Hancock were completely out of order. Nicki just did one of his usual tricks and it was nothing like LInd Sundstrom. Nicki and Sundstrom should be punished but Hancock should have been banned for a couple of weeks

I think Greg is a great bloke and a great rider which exacerbates his crime all the more. A £400 fine is a ridiculous statement by the authorities and shows that exactly what The Return says is true. Hancock is the peoples rider whilst Nicki is not. If Nicki had done that to Greg then this board would have exploded in its indignation and would be demanding he be executed by flame thrower A two week ban would make an example of someone who has huge respect in the speedway world and send the message that you can't do that on a speedway track.

How exactly does banning someone for running like a lunatic and launching himself like Superman at a rider sitting on a bike and barging off said bike onto the track open a can of worms? The Pedersen crime is another matter but Greg is clear cut. You cannot allow that to happen on a track with riders still under power.