GS550
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37 minutes ago, Skidder1 said:I think GS550 has a severe case of the Boxalls!!
Nope. I just have a sense of fair play.
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37 minutes ago, RoundTheBoards said:Correct. You see, unlike the people just making stuff up, I actually got a quote for a flight to see what it cost. At the time I posted, a flight for me on the day the AGM starts and returning on the day it finishes was £58. But if I booked for different dates, with around a fortnight's notice, the cheapest I could get it down to was £31 round trip.
Similarly there was a plentiful supply of hotels where 2 nights in Tenerife were cheaper than two nights in a Premier Inn standard of hotel in Coventry. But why go to the trouble of looking up the prices like you and I did, when you can just post made-up drivel?
What a load of baloney. You used a Ryanair price and we all know those prices are nowhere near the total prices with all the add ons that just bring it back up to its truw final price.
You say hotels are cheaper than the UK. They aren't. How many stars? Minus 10?
Its a joke - just like the Mickey Mouse conference.
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38 minutes ago, tellboy said:Didn't see one drunk there last month,bit different to what i see here.
....you didn't see me then
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1 minute ago, Sir Sidney said:I'm beginning to think, like others, that you are just on a wind up
Certainly not. Are you?
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10 minutes ago, Bojangles said:OK, it's not £31, but you can currently get flights to Tenerife from Gatwick for a £40 round trip. Hardly breaking the bank.
I see you picked 2nd December - what was the price for this Week?
And you seriously believe that the total price will be anywhere near £31. We all know it will be nowhere near that, after all necessary add-ons, luggage, etc, plus airport parking, commute to/from airport, etc.
In any case it's nowt to do with money. There is simply no need for it to be in Tenerife.
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2 minutes ago, Sir Sidney said:So let me ask you again.
Do you believe that no British company should hold its AGM abroad, or just BSPL?
Nothing to do with "British company" holding it's AGM abroad. Nor do I have any thoughts on any such thing.
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1 minute ago, Marksman said:Think you're talking a little twaddle yourself, £31 to tenerife? Maybe from a southern airport if you book pretty far in advance.
This is what draws people into cheap holidays. Flights in 3 months time are £100 from Manchester.
3/4 days parking at Manchester airport alone would be at least £90, then you pay for seat reservations, baggage and £50 round trip in fuel at least. Likely £200 at least before you even get to tenerife.
I'm not bothered where they host it could be on the moon for all I care, but surely it doesn't make an Einstein to work this out?
Surely the topic can be moved on now. It might not be cheap but they can host where they want, but if it stops chilidsh promoters walking out then so be it.
I applaud your post. But as regards "if it stops childish promoters walking out". Firstly, they may have had a fair point(?). But the world really has gone mad if it need a meeting at a holiday booze up island to somehow stop some of the promoters from leaving the meeting.
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1 minute ago, Sir Sidney said:So you have skillfully avoided the point.
If I said your stance or belief rather than your argument would that make a difference?
It is perfectly simple. There is imply no need for it to be in Tenerife.
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5 minutes ago, longmeadow said:Can somebody please answer my original question. I started this thread as a serious post but all ive heard is talk of hob knobs and the price of flights to tenerife. All i wont to know is when is the agm
A few posters have said third week in November, so I guess that's in the next couple of days.
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5 minutes ago, Sir Sidney said:Where I am at a loss with your argument is understanding whether you are saying no British company should hold its AGM abroad, or just that the BSPL shouldn't because you think they are unprofessional and just off on a booze up.
Personally I have no issue with them holding it abroad, because if just one decision is made that benefits from them all being there and focused on matters in hand, then it will have been worthwhile.
However, given the general lack of trust in them from supporters, it doesn't show much reading of the room to know they might get some flack.
There's no argument. It just doesn't need to be there.
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12 minutes ago, RoundTheBoards said:That deflection twaddle would be a "No" then to my question. You couldn't get all the promoters from all over the country to drive to Rugby for less than the cost of a £31 flight to Tenerife.
Less of the derisive personal insults. Not clever.
We all know it isn't £31 for a return flight to Tenerife.
There's just no need for it to be in Tenerife. End of.
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3 minutes ago, proud panther said:Are you on the wind up, or smoking something ? I run a business, but also go on holiday. The profit from my business pays for my holiday, but it's only the same as holiday pay for someone who works for a company.
Are you on a wind up or smoking something?
You run a business. Good for you. Do you think you're the only one that's ever had a business.
As far as BSPL is concerned, they should be concentrating on being professional and business-like and dealing with the problems in the sport.
The BSPA of old were shamed into stopping going off to such as Tenerife. Which is why they had the meetings at Rugby for years. It's time they reverted to same.
As regards the money spent - they should be using it to improve facilities or reducing admission prices, that would be the decent and professional thin to do. Otherwise they are cheating the paying public.
Again, they haven't a clue how to be professional and business-like and how to conduct themselves.
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Just now, iainb said:Can you provide a full cost breakdown of your holiday to the Canaries please?
I know you're peddling a joke that's worn thin long since but none of us needs any o' that stuff. We all know what's happening here. The BSPA of old were shamed into stopping the practice of going off to such as Tenerife which is why they've held it in Rugby for years now. That stigma hasn't changed. It's time they cottoned themselves on, became professional and business-like about it and got on with the job at Rugby. And then go off on holidays, booze trips sun sea and sangria to their heart's content.
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2 minutes ago, RoundTheBoards said:Go on Einstein. Show us how £80 of petrol to and from Rugby for 3 days is cheaper than a £31 flight to Tenerife.
Less of the derisory name calling. Not clever.
The principle stinks to high heaven. There is simply no need for it to be in Tenerife.
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7 minutes ago, Sir Sidney said:If they used the £1k to reduce admission prices that would be about 2p per meeting per person based on 1,000 attendance.
Fine. It's the principle.
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On 11/12/2023 at 5:16 PM, Tinker said:Well said RoundTheBoards.
Some people just moan for the sake of it. Two or three days in Tenerife is no big deal. As long as the promoters have utilised their time wisely then there should be nothing to complain about.
Also, quite a few of the promoters seem to get a fair bit of stick but at least they're keeping the sport going. If they weren't around who would be there to replace them??
I don't grudge anybody a holiday. I go to the Canaries. But there's a time and a place. And it isn't when I'm dealing with anything work related.
Contrary to the nonsense spouted about being cheap, the fact is it is not cheap. Even choosing the "lowest prices first" option shows that flights, accommodation and holiday prices have gone through the roof the last few years. And its certainly way past the cost of having a meeting in the UK by a long long way. But it isn't about the money, its the principle. These jokers expect riders to professional and committed, yet they don't do it themselves. They discipline Boxall and R Worrall for indulging in recreational etc while on the job, yet they're indulging themselves when they should be business-like and focussed. Its ridiculous. They have no idea how to be professional and business-like and how to conduct themselves.
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On 11/12/2023 at 4:38 PM, RoundTheBoards said:If it was in the UK he'd be whinging because it would cost a lot more.
I could book a flight to Tenerife now for £58 return. (Had I booked in advance weeks ago I could get that down to £31 return). To drive to Rugby and back would cost approx £80 in petrol.
For a three-day conference in Rugby, travelling each day, that would be £240 of petrol. Or I could book a hotel for 2 nights at maybe £80 per night in a budget hotel, so that's still a total of £240. Then the BSPL would have to hire a room in ACU house for 3 days. Split between 20 or so promoters that probably only adds an extra £20 or so.
Two nights in one of Tenerife's numerous hotels is going to cost less than trying to find a Premier Inn in Coventry. So overall it's considerably cheaper to go to Tenerife.
That's just the biggest load of rubbish. Tenerife is not cheap. Prices in November in the Canaries are also much dearer than in summer and certainly much more expensive than in the UK. That's just plain fact. And the reported thousand quid per head for 3 days equates to about £2k per head per week - that's far from cheap.
In any case, there's no need for it to be in Tenerife. It's ridiculous. If they want to have a holiday jolly then go with their wives and families same as everybody else.
They should be business-like and focus on the matters in hand, not having a holiday jolly. It's Mickey Mouse and unprofessional. They haven't a clue how to be professional or how to conduct themselves.
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On 11/12/2023 at 2:57 PM, truthsayer said:Totally, this really is no big deal.
I don't think the optics are great, but really it's not important.
- it's their money
- the cost, in the grand scheme of running a speedway club is tiny
If they think going away for a business is worthwhile then who am I to disagree. Not how I would conduct things in 2023, but not my money.
It won't put any clubs out of business.
They should be improving be improving facilities or reducing admission prices - so it isn't theirs to just squander. As long as they treat it as a hobby and a plaything the sport will never be professional and never come out of it's nosedive into oblivion with only 2 or 3 teams left. It's Mickey Mouse. They haven't a clue how to conduct themselves.
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On 11/12/2023 at 2:42 PM, Tim G said:Why not, why does it have to be in the UK like you’re demanding?
If it’s only costing £1k each to attend that’s not much money and I doubt many promoters get the chance to go away during the season.
It's simply doesn't have to be in Tenerife. It's ridiculous.
They expect riders to be professional and committed. Not treat it as recreational and indulge. It's double standards. They punish such as Boxall and R Worrall while on the job, then they indulge themselves in a holiday jolly when they should be concentrating on the job in hand. If they were professional and business-like, if they had a clue how to conduct themselves, they would have the meeting within a suitable business-like environment. They haven't a clue.
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On 11/10/2023 at 12:40 PM, Skidder1 said:What was dismal about it other than 2 disappointing meetings at the end of the season? One trophy won; finished Top of the League and reported increased attendances!
I wonder how many other clubs had 'dismal' seasons?
Exactly. And the league table doesn't lie. Even though some may deny it, Poole again this season the team to beat or try to match.
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So why does it have to be in Tenerife? It doesn't.
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8 minutes ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said:Those going on about the cost need to get some perspective in the scheme of what it takes to put team together for a season
That £1k price being quoted is probably about the equivalent of 1 ride in 1 meeting to cover the likes of Emil Doyle Bewley Holder etc...
Even lower down its likely not even the cost of 1 meeting for a Championship heat leader
It really is irrelevant in the big picture
It's the principle. No need for it to be in Tenerife.
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31 minutes ago, IronScorpion said:You keep repeating yourself over & over again.
My post was based on last years AGM(Nov '22) in RUGBY, ENGLAND with decisions changed at the last minute. Even Danny Ford mentioned to his local press a few days before the AGM that the points limit was 42.
To be fair I only answered your question. Life's too short, take a chill pill. Calm yourself down to a frenzy. See a doctor.
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25 minutes ago, IronScorpion said:But, if like last year, there is nothing left to discuss then why did some teams with NDL sides say that we can not fit in all the fixtures so 2A 2H will have to go & only have 1H 1A plus the BSN & KOC competitions. Also, we will reduce the team declaration points from 42 to 40.
As I understand it those kind of decisions have already been made at the pre-meeting when anything of substance was discussed and agreed, and the Tenerife jaunt is just a holiday jolly @ reportedly £1,000 a head so if two joint promoters then as someone else observed on this thread that would be £2k per team, to rubber stamp in a quick meeting what they've already decided. Totally unnecessary.
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To be professional, business-like and concentrate on the serious matters in hand. They haven't a clue how to be professional and business-like, they obviously haven't a clue how to conduct themselves.