Sidney the robin

Have been doing my ratings on the British riders over the years and these five riders i had pretty close together i wondered what your opinions were. my order. 1./ Carter. 2./ Simmons 3./ Wilson, 4./Louis 5./ Morton.

Just chucked it down in Stratton three miles from the stadium surely it wont be on tonight any news.?

Pie in the sky.!!!

Maybe i overeacted so i opologise for that Midland but people who get Autographs dont just get it once do they?? Also you are so wrong about Olsen as a team rider superb i will name them all again who benefited by riding with him.Stancl,Moleneax,Busk,Miller,Guglielmi,Nicholaisen, Shirra,Knudsen ask Gary Newbon who was on central sport if he was a team rider or not.!!!!!!

Followed his progress since his rides at Swindon would love him to follow in the footsteps of Kilb,Crash,Keener, Dukey, Wellie,Rosco, the Smart's/ Chessell's and bless him Martin Hewlett it would be great.

On here the old folk some of us anyway get slated accused of negativy but as you said where is the forward thinking.? Even if the BT money is there the money is tight so the likes of Doyle may have to be sacrificed for the shorterm at least.I would like to see the regular 1/7 teams back with regular fixtures with clubs living within there means.The rules to be simplified showing that the rules cannot be manipulated by certain people build from there the product is there the potential to improve British speedway is there.

Hi "City hope you are good, have you been impressed with Anders Rowe on the occasions you have seen him??? hopefully a future Robin.!!!

But Morton was a star from say aged 19/20 to say 34 along time most of it at a very high level indeed, quality longevity i meant.Nearly 15 years at a high level is an achievement in itself he held his high level of form for quite a period not alot of people do that.Jessup was never a favourite of mine but he would be in a list with Lee,Collins, ect) Carter was also only in this list because his career was cut short.Jessup is a strange one i never enjoyed watching him much he was a quiet personality but you have to say he was a great rider and in 1980 he had a great year.But i dont agree he would of won a GP series his team around him and aquipment was questionable in my opinion not sure on that side of things he would of.had the endurance to win a series.

I was just looking through all my programmes and on this day the Golden Helmet match race took place at the Abbey.Crash won this in two straight legs but the strange thing was Tommy stayed for the second half and got to the final and was beaten by Kilb .I just wondered if anyone can remember seeing the deciding leg at Cradley Tommy won it (maybe Bruno??).

I am quite surprised that Morton is high up in alot of people's list in amongst the other four.He was a great rider but his gating was his achlilles heel but he did have a fair amount of success and his longevity was impressive.

A really poor year for the Pirates i expected a home win last night but they still come up short.MF this year has had a knightmare expected to much of Klintd and for me put to much trust in K.K and Andersen.A catalogue of mistakes this year treated Newman harshly made changes in Zengota,Kerr,Starke,Kennett,none of them really worked.Next season if they have Woryna, Kurtz,Holder,Shanes they have something to work on a youthful looking line up.

Nothing has really changed since then a shambles to be honest, going back to the ban endless riders people who held total respect within the sport Briggo being one pleaded with them to overturn the ban.Did they listen NO also there was a huge amount of support from the general public and the BSPA knew that but still stuck two fingers up to all of us and did as they pleased.I am sure now that would never be aloud to happen in law and being aloud to get away with it since that day it still leaves a bitter taste.

Feel exactly the same his career was not prolonged 75/83 but i feel lucky that i see a fair bit of him and at his best was the real deal.I suppose Gollob and Ward are the only riders since that have excited me like that also Crump jnr, and Adams for different reasons. A memory i have was taking my wife to the Abbey in his comeback 85??? and Michael turning up late 7 oclock ish bag slumped over his shoulder he scored three points was horrible seeing that.As you said a few glimpses of his old magic he beat Gundersen/Carter easily at Saddlebow and in 85 without the EFS could of won the Supporters trophy.

It was a dark day for the sport that day his career was finished, mentally he never recovered his comebacks were never that serious and to be honest seeing him ride then was pretty depressing .

Such a shame i was gutted went to Coventry for the British Final thinking his appeal was a formality that he could still take his place but they still only reduced it from five years to one year. Look Michael had alot to answer for but he was generally good for the sport polite good with the supporters and at his best was a superstar.Bettsy was a great guidance for him down to earth understood how it was to be young once and Betts,Lee, Tiddler were a great team all those three high up in amongst my favourite ever riders.

Yes he was of course, but he was never good anough to win a WC was he better than Louis? ( i was not a fan) maybe did he achieve more than Wilson maybe was he better than those two for me he wasn't.

No disrespect but Lee for me naturally was quite away in front of Robert by along way, Lambert though is a rider i like and hope he bulldozes himself into the bigtime he is certainly good anough.

Very harsh indeed and my son played pro football for a few years and we went and took him training as much as possible four meetings only do you stay at home and watch Eastenders.? Dont be that brutal four meetings really??.. surely you have the money but dont bother dont be so brutal when you dont know what other people's situation is think about it.??...

I would certainly put your 4/5 Steve in front of Morton because for me at there best in certain years they were in the top few riders in the world.Morton was not ok he won the White City round in 1980 but i never ever considered him good anough to win a WC but his record overall was an outstanding one.

That was certainly the last time i see him ride, i see him at the Abbey in 75 scored 11 (Also the WF at Wembley) also Steve he rode at White City in 76 early on maybe you see that to.??? Strange that dont you think he must of been on a good guarantee?? in those days at Swindon you had a cheap side as well the gate to get through to the starting gate side was usually opened at about heat 10.

It did show over those few years WK something you remember Carter did fall out with alot of riders ie) PC and at that time i took Collins side.Peter was a rider everyone respected and even Eric Boocock said if only Carter could of been less brash with it looking back i do believe Carter would of made a brilliant world champion 82 he was robbed by a crazy rule. GREAT POST and you really have a strong case "falcace" for me i suppose i sometimes get blinded by riders who did not quite do it but were class acts.Wilson, E.Boocock,Betts,Ashby,Adams,Sigalos,P.Crump all come into that category.Also you see loads more of Mort than me and at Hyde Rd was a sight to be seen he was one of a few who could beat Nielsen on merit.Mort's pass of Carter in the Northern riders Championship is one of the greatest passes i have ever seen top class a top rider TOP bloke to.

Can you ever see a 16 year old lad now ever coming into the top league and beating and mixing it with the best Lee was a one off one of the best riders i have ever seen.

Is Robert like Lee in some respect did Lynn lose a few supporters when he left? Bettsy who had a huge following was nearing the end so that time was a strange period for the club.

NO i personally dont think Woffinden at his best would beat Lee /Collins. Craven i did not see ride but his record speaks for itself.Also in yesteryear when Briggo/Mauger (ect) rode in British Final's it was mighty tough to qualify for a WF now i think Grand Prix results are percentage results.

No he is number five quite easily for me and his CV is not as good as Simmo and did he score a maximum in a peak WTC year like Wilson ? No also was he placed in a WF like Louis NO. Yes can see your point of view WK and at club level Carter was quite a selfish rider for usually a weak Halifax team riding for England he was different.