Sidney the robin

Steve maybe you would know this? did Briggo wear a full face helmet before Garry Middleton(Oxford).?

I can remember Ivan wearing his white leathers for Exeter riders all had there own identity something that is missing today.

When i think back Ivan often got booed at the Abbey but he took it all in his stride.I think he took it as a compliment it spurred him on for me he took speedway to another level a one/off really.Great immaculate aquipment a big van spotless had a good team around him and he was always great with the fans.Being a Briggo fan i was never a fan of Ivan but whenever i saw him ride it was an ocassion how i so admired what he achieved in his career a true legend.

Are you sure about that ? to say it does not matter what day you ride on is a crazy statement.

No sign of any workmen with cups of tea in there hand with a fag hanging out of there mouths.😆I bet they are all foreign😅😅can't get the workers now but you can get plenty of shirkers.😆

I did say Sanders was one of the best in the top five riders easily around his untimely death.Penhall yes maybe the passion had gone but i always remember what Briggo said at one of his farewell meeting's Germany that Penhall had gone to soon.He said he would of won more titles and if he was dedicated and put in a years training could even ride at a high level then.Both you and Iris make great points cant argue with that both have a happy new year.😀

Penhall if he had stayed around how many times would he have won it ? quite a few times i believe..Lee was top class in 83/ for me at his best the best rider in the world that year.His career after that was finished nearly all of it of his own doing Carter well was just unlucky no doubt about that.Sigalos was classy had a bad injury and his top days were gone.Sanders Iris dont know where you are coming from with your oinion about him he was always a very good rider.Up until his death for a couple of years he had really come into his own upped his game not far off reaching his PEAK if he had been around he would of been a player.

But Ole had to fight to get where he was like Ivan it was not all plain sailing at the start and he earned his dues.Nielsen for me would he have mastered a Penhall/Lee, if they had stayed around he hadnt before they left the sport .Also Erik had his number to,nothing against Hans a great great rider and if anything he SHOULD of won more title's.But Penhall,Lee,Carter,Sigalos,Sanders all real talents leaving the sport in the same period really opened it up for Hans/Erik.

But i would put Olsen higher than both because of the level of rider they all faced in there PRIME.Nielsen was a rider i never liked but grew to respect but after the demise of Penhall,Lee,Carter,Sigalos,Sanders,things fell into place for him apart from a handfull of riders he had an easy time Erik often being is achilles heel.Not damning Hans but if all those riders had not of been lost to the sport no way would he of won four titles.

Yes for me "norbold" was Mauger just the better rider in Longevity at World class level?.Mauger was a icon took over from Moore/ Briggo god he was good you expected him to clean up most meeting's.Olsen he was so different very good from the back Olsen for me is one of the few riders i could put alongside Ivan a high accolade.😀

Knutsson certainly was FORGOTTEN i would say with Lee and others the best to have won only one title."norbold" do you think Olsen is sometimes forgotten when mentioned with the greats.? I do Olsen was certainly one of the best riders i ever saw ride in my top 10 even a top 5 a great rider who had an awesome riding style.

Is that bet VALUE "Crazy ?😜😀

Emil,Dudek,Pawlicki for me against the field.

Knutsson i think would of won maybe a title or two more but to say he was better than Olsen is etretching it a bit ?

Wont go that far Alfred a bit of a rubbishhole😀to be honest (joking)its good everybody has a home good or bad.Swindon is ok no better or worst than anywhere else i was brought up in Stratton ST Margaret still live there now.😜

You make some good points but is Swindon that bad a place to live? maybe you were only teasing.? Swindon is not the best place to live not by a long chalk but there are LOADS of worst places to live believe me.

Sedgy goes really well in Aussie does not translate that to Britain at times for Swindon at home he looked slow down on power should do a decent job for Leicester.

Hope Auty gets a place he should do.

Tommy had real class and i am convinced he would of been a World Champion.To think he could of been still around in the late 80s/90s real class had everything.Chuffed i actually see him ride in the Helmet against crash and beat him in the decider at Cradley often. think what he could of achieved.?😀

I like Tai respect him he is a great rider ( only if he keeps working hard the younger brigade are catching up) but not to long ago he was not to professional himself was he ? .

No Tommy J , Steve ? that surprised me as you love your Wimbledon Dons.I suppose it is you having an opinion without having your Bias head on unlike me concerning Martin Ashby eh!!😀😜

Both if they gate is Klindt a fighter can he pass? does he take risks ask yourself that "Starman!😀

God you ent much older than me BOBBATH 😜anyway have a nice christmas.😂

I am bias and you are right Chris should be in it. Ashby i suppose to be honest never showed his full worth he was a member of the 75 Norden winning side also that meeting he won a prestigious Victor Ludorum second halve final.Overall Martin underachieved for me he was one hell of a good rider.Boulger i have always rated tough to beat tough/as old boots and over that period he could beat everyone he was often overshadowed by Crump/Sanders John was a super rider in his own right.

(1969/88 B.L. (20) Briggs,Mauger,Michanek,Penhall,Lee,Collins,Nielsen, Gundersen,Carter,Crump,Sanders,E..Boocock,Sigalos,T.Jansson,Autrey,Jessup ,Ashby,R.Wilson,Boulger,Simmons.