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  1. 8 hours ago, BOBBATH said:

     

     

    As someone asked -re 1972 WF did Bernie Persson and Briggo ever become friends-despite Briggo's fall - I reckon Mauger sould still have won the 72 Final

    All hyphophetical now Bobbath but Olsen looked the best rider on the night but his fall in his first race cost him..Briggs if he had won his second ride might????  have gone on to win it on 14 Pts beaten by Olsen.All ii would of been certain. of was Ivan would not of beaten Briggs//Olsen so easily in a run-off.


  2. 52 minutes ago, OveFundinFan said:

    Re refs holding the tapes longer to try and catch riders...... agreed that went on in some GPs last year.  Easy way round that is let a computer determine when the tapes go up - take the human factor out of it.

    Great idea it won't happen though Ove, last year going to some meetings for a 7.30 start getting home at some meetings 9.50 or even 10.15 long drawn out affairs forever restarts.


  3. 6 hours ago, BenR195 said:

    Yeah and Ellis Perks, most improved rider of the year is now froze out of riding in this country because his average is deemed too high in all 3 leagues, you can’t implement a rule to bring in young brits then take that rule away the following year, as those young riders that had the chance get over looked for foreigners, Ellis lost his place at Redcar for an unknown Aussie on the same average, what happened to backing the brits? Hopefully Bickley does well as like it’s been said he has good backing and his career is going up but he may find it hard going up against some teams with 4/5 pointers at number 7, just hope it doesn’t knock his confidence 

    Totally agree about Ellis Perks it is criminal that he has been frozen out skanked at Rye House last year  these rules need changing.Going back to Bewley he will love Derwent Park being a home venue a big season for him i would love him to make the British  Final.


  4. With young Bewley and Bickley in the side the Worky fans have alot to look forward to in the season ahead.Bewley he really has impressed me he has a real racing brain and i will be amazed if he does not put 1.5/2 points on his average this year.Bickley it will be tough but he is dedicated has good aquipment has a great team(dad) etc) and he will be fine for me the main thing for Kyle is to enjoy his racing the rest will follow.I hope this trend will follow now in the Championship young Brits getting a prolonged run at this level it was great last year to see the likes of Hume, Mountain, Bowtell, Wood really make progress as a supporter i really like to see young riders make it up the ladder.

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  5. 1 minute ago, BobC said:

    Looks like I will be a Comets fan in 2018! 

    Big fan of Kyle. Huge step, but one he not only has to take, but will take in his stride. It will be tough, but, there is only one way to find out.

    Best of luck young man.

     

     

    The same Bob I hope Kyle does well we have Kyle, Brennan,Jenkins, Thomas,Kemp, Edwards Flint, Mcgurt, etc) to look forward to fingers crossed eh.!!!!!


  6. 29 minutes ago, jenga said:

    can you outline  the three that are risks ?

     

    after suffering the fake speedway rider last season at worky , i cant see any risk in the 5 signed so far .

    mason will be @ reserve to help the young un, hopefully .

     

    29 minutes ago, jenga said:

    can you outline  the three that are risks ?

     

    after suffering the fake speedway rider last season at worky , i cant see any risk in the 5 signed so far .

    mason will be @ reserve to help the young un, hopefully .

    I  think Klindt  Lindgren and Proctor away from home are risky , , Jorgensen i really like really gutsy a nice bloke and a hell of a racer he could put a point plus on his  average you need to be good at home i think.


  7. 39 minutes ago, OveFundinFan said:

    On the other hand, Sidney, the public got robbed by someone streaking away into the lead and potentially the wrong rider winning and also being deprived of a better race.  The run off between Ivan M and Jerzy S being one that immediately springs to mind.

    Totally right i don't disagree Ove not one bit, even Ivan rolled the tapes and he is the best gater i ever saw along with Kilby.Today Ove the rule is a joke a rider guesses right gets pulled back he hits the tapes gets excluded not right for him or the public..Some refs are not letting the tapes go delays galore clutche's  ready to burn, i,think  if you don't break them and get the tapes up  take a risk over a season thing's even there self out.


  8. On 22/12/2017 at 8:20 PM, magnus said:

    Workington

    1. Nicolai Klindt (7.51)

    2. Ty Proctor (7.15)

    3. T. Jorgensen (7.10)

    4. Dan Bewley (5.80)

    5. L. Lindgren (7.21)

    6. Mason Campton (5.73)

    7. Kyle Bickley (2.00)

    Total: 26.19

    Remaining: 16.31 = TOTAL 42.50

    This i believe would be a hell of a side both home and away, once all the guys get dialed in.

    Nicolai may not be a number one, but i wouldn't expect him to be once Ty and Thomas return for their second season at Derwent Park. The potential of keeping either Mason, Dan or Nicolia at reserve all season will bring home points both home and away.

    *Please lets all be positive and look at the potential team and more importantly at least another season of speedway at Workington, instead of speculating what may have been said to who and what they may be thinking. 

    I think three are three pretty huge risks in that side  only time will tell.


  9. 53 minutes ago, OveFundinFan said:

    but it seems some supporters dont mind rollers as long as they dont bust the tapes.

     I actually think Ove the old rule was better ok riders did take a  chance roll the tapes  and if they went through the tapes they   got excluded.Now it is a double whammy you touch them you are out leaving the public to get ripped off for me break them you are excluded if not let it go often if you take chances you will be punished in the long run .

     


  10. 58 minutes ago, Terry said:

    When Zenon rejoined the Hawks midway through the 79 season to replace the sadly departed Vic Harding he was amazing to watch. He broke the track record almost every week, and I remember he beat Olsen from the back twice one night..which took some doing.

    As you say there was always a lot of uncertainty at the start of each season, with Len Silver having a constant battle with Zenon's Polish club to release him.

    Obviously Gollob is Poland's greatest ever rider, but Plechy will always be my favourite!

    Plech there has to be an arguement that he was a better speedway rider than Muller even though we all know Muller was a class act.Did Plech get the same amount of behind the scenes practice  laps as Muller did in 83??I can always remember Ivan saying that Jerzy had as much of a chance of winning in 73 as Zenon Jerzy did get away with some terrible rollers that day though.


  11. 37 minutes ago, Terry said:

    I can't argue about Lee being the best that year. I remember him winning the Commonwealth and Inter-Continental finals at White City.

    Even as an 11 year old I remember screaming at the tv for Plechy to get past Moran, but Kelly stood his ground.

    I reckon Zenon would have beaten Ivan in the run-off - but I am a bit biased!

     

     

     

    If Zenon had of had a real good run of BL action everyear there seemed to be uncertainty with the Poles he could of been a WC no doubt about that.I did see Zenon ride a few times and he was exciting a real entertainer  my favourite ever Pole after Gollob.


  12. 13 hours ago, Terry said:

    Strange thing to say considering he scored two points less than Zenon Plech!

    The reasoning behind that was that Lee was certainly one of the best if  not the best rider of the 79 season.Also he beat Mauger and sat on 8 pts at the interval then ran a last against Jessup,Moran,Olsen then finally winning his last ride.In a way similar to his 83 Norden effort ran a last in one race as for Plech his best chance for me was in 1973.


  13. Was Mauger lucky in the 1972  World Final.? but unlucky in the 1973 year ? a hard one really still hard to believe he let that Final slip away.I felt 1979 was a year he was quite fortunate to win it looking back Lee could of won the final that year.1972 was a terrible year for Briggs that crash finished his career really as a real championship contender even though he still rode at a high level.I still  believe he could of won  that Final that moment was probably my worst moment in speedway did Briggo ever make up with Bernie.? who knows.

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  14. 2 minutes ago, norbold said:

    Ove Fundin once told me he thought that Ivan Mauger was responsible for taking all the fun out of speedway!

    Maybe you  are right norbold even today winning is everything for me it is all about being entertained the winning aspect means nothing to me.In yesteryear you often had riders who were at clubs for a number of years and the fans could relate to those riders.As examples Eric Boocock,Arnie Haley,Reg Wilson, Mike Broadbanks, Pete Smith, Nigel Boocock Terry Betts ,wouldn't it be great if that was happening in British speedway today instead of riders changing clubs every year.

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  15. 2 hours ago, FAST GATER said:

    Mauger

    Briggo/Fundin

    Olsen/Ricko

    Mauger gets top place  IMO he  changed the sport from many points of view making it more professional and setting  high standards with consistent performances at team level particularly  day in day out.    For sheer style and skill on a bike he was a dream to watch ( Hans is the nearest I ever saw to match him on a bike IMO ) but with all the above there is very little to choose between them and there is the issue of different eras of course  .

    I do think out  of five of them Ivan could and would have succeeded at anytime in speedway because he was able to adapt to any situation  ,the only time I can remamber him capitulating under pressure was of course the 1973 w/final ,the one that did get away from him without a doubt .

     

    My theory Gater is great riders would of adapted to any era Mauger was 20 years ahead of his time in my view.Immaculate aquipment a top of the range van when he turned up for a meeting he was 100 per cent focused on doing his best he took speedway away from the memory  of riders turning up only having one bike strapped on the back of there car.

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  16. 46 minutes ago, steve roberts said:

    I'm thankful that I saw all three race...albeit Ronnie during his last season but he was still a class act.

    I'd agree with you regarding Briggo's rather blustering style whereas Ivan's was very smooth and technically perfect.

    Mauger and Olsen for me technically were the best riders i have ever seen Leigh Adams also comes into that category to.Mauger had everything really a great gater could come from the back and his temperment was superb.He also was a great team man just so pleased that i see him at his peak he would of loved the GP series format from 68/79 he would of took some beating.Over that period i think only Olsen, Michanek 73/74. Collins 76 Lee 79 would of got near him a true superstar in my eyes.

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  17. 10 hours ago, E I Addio said:

    Perhaps it’s horses for courses though. Briggs form was more erratic than Fundin (or Mauger for that matter ) but when he was on form and really had his head in the right place he was IMO completely unbeatable.  You only have to look at the footage of his World Final win in Sweden in ‘64 or ‘66 (cant remember which ) when it rained furiously throughout and there was more sawdust on the track than shale.Everybody else was all over the place but Briggo waltzed home as if it was perfect conditions.

    The other thing to remember is that in the Briggs /Fundin era they didn’t earn the money they get now and towards the latter half of each career they both had outside interests which must have been a distraction, and with the financial incentive of the modern sport they both may well have ridden longer with undivided attention and achieved even more than they did.

    Finally, as I have said before Ivan Maugers words : If there was no Barry Briggs there would have been no Ivan Mauger. What he meant was to be World  Champion he had to study everything Briggs did and build on it, just as Olsen and later generations took Mauger  as their example and built on that, so it’s really a bit futile to put one against another from different eras. 

     

    Great post ,   i thought it was great that Barry,Ivan,Ronnie got on very well you dont often get that when you are all going for the same goal.Briggs was a great racer not the greatest of styles i just wish i had seen him in the 65/70 period of his  BLRC dominance at the great Hyde Rd.

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  18. Nielsen was a great rider and i was never a fan but he grew on me he had his disappointments but he got over them and got stronger mentally he was very good.Penhall,Lee,Sanders,Sigalos,Carter were on his wavelength  at the 81 / 83 period but  for whatever reason they fell by the wayside. Olsen whatever  you think of him is often overlooked he could match Mauger at times and a youthful Collins and later Lee and for me as a three time World Champion was a GREAT


  19. 12 minutes ago, foamfence said:

    Mauger, Briggs, Rickardsson, Fundin, Olsen. 

    I personally would have considered Craven and Moore but one had his career cut short and the other missed six seasons while in his prime.

    I like that foamfence  Briggo in front of Ove !!!! i have been filling out a few programmes from the 50s and Ove see off Briggo quite alot the 60s was  alot closer.

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  20. 58 minutes ago, steve roberts said:

    Hi Sid...no Nielsen? I'd have him above Rickardsson personally.

    Based on your chosen list however it would be

    Mauger (the greatest rider ever in my opinion whatever the criteria chosen), Briggs (longevity),  Fundin (winning titles during the era of the 'Big Five'), Olsen (despite a personal dislike of him but he had great leadership qualities) and Rickardsson (despite his six individual world titles but I was never convinced/impressed by his team ethic)

     I tend to base my views on overall achievements including their impact based on league achievements and individual input thereof.

    I agree totally Steve, Nielsen and Jason Crump i would rate  above Ricko but his six titles had to have him in the list.


  21. 8 hours ago, hyabb17 said:

    Some of what you’ve said is valid. Where I see the improvements is who will push Nick, I can see Batch, Musielak & Nick all being at 1 at some stage in the season as they will push each other on. Whilst Nick had Doyle in 13 & 15 he had to do much work himself. Number 1 won’t be easy but looking at other sides to date I think he’ll maintain his scoring 

     

    8 hours ago, hyabb17 said:

    Some of what you’ve said is valid. Where I see the improvements is who will push Nick, I can see Batch, Musielak & Nick all being at 1 at some stage in the season as they will push each other on. Whilst Nick had Doyle in 13 & 15 he had to do much work himself. Number 1 won’t be easy but looking at other sides to date I think he’ll maintain his scoring 

     

    8 hours ago, hyabb17 said:

    Some of what you’ve said is valid. Where I see the improvements is who will push Nick, I can see Batch, Musielak & Nick all being at 1 at some stage in the season as they will push each other on. Whilst Nick had Doyle in 13 & 15 he had to do much work himself. Number 1 won’t be easy but looking at other sides to date I think he’ll maintain his scoring 

    Most of the time Nick had to fend for himself in those heat 13/15 heats Doyle out for himself  hopefully with more responsibility he will kick on. All Nick needs is a bit more consistency the Bellego comment is baffling from Shovlar you have faith in a rider he does well then the next year you dispell with his services.Bellego did drop off form wise but he had a great year overall his aquipment and attitude is spot on so i dont see many unproven riders who could replace him certainly with this one 8 point rider in place.Most teams will be pretty weak at reserve but Zach will be ok certainly at home but if our top five do the business we should be able to pick up the slack sometimes from  the reserve berths.


  22. Speedway needs characters and Batchelor is certainly different,but at Swindon there are still supporters who like him i certainly do.Also he is familiar with our club which is an advantage also now with our top five in place  he is not expected to be a in/out no 1 or 2 now as long as he contributes and the team do well he will be fine.

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  23. 46 minutes ago, Steve Shovlar said:

    Lol!

    you know what I posted about Batchelor is true. Even Orion said exactly the same, though in not so kind words. Come playoffs on a wet night and he won’t want to know,\. I know it, he knows it and so do you.

    Really !!!!!  would i trust Orion's  view or Rosco a no CONTEST to be honest Batchelor with a watered down league makes us field a healthy top five with a talented young rider in the reserve berth so i am happy with that. Rider's  that really improve your team are pretty hard to come by at the moment your club should know that as you now will do very well to field a better and proven top five than the Robins.Also another point that was mentioned  is if Batchelor fails badly and let's Rossiter down he will be replaced.

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