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Sidney the robin

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  1. 5 minutes ago, BWitcher said:

    There are no opinions being discussed. This is your problem, you don't understand what an opinion actually is.

    Your argument is the equivalent of saying 5+5 = 20 because it's your 'opinion'.

    No i think Grachan answered your posts brilliantly and he does not care if he is right or wrong and  neither do i. Also Grachan has seen those riders so his opinion!!!!!!! is more valid.Wont mention it again but will enjoy telling you again i do believe the top riders and the BL from 1969-1986 was of  a very high standard and  i will never waver from that averages or no averages.

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  2. 18 minutes ago, Big Al said:

    So, by next March there will be a new speedway track with a racy pacy shape. The pits will have been moved (hopefully). That's the good news.

    But, going by the brief statement, it will probably be surrounded by cleared ground at best. No mention of spectator facilities, parking!!


    What do you recon 12/16 weeks if you are lucky ( light /weather issues) to do the work that is a big ask.

  3. 1 hour ago, BWitcher said:

    Probably the most worthless contribution so far to the debate.

    Although if you want to go down that route, Woffinden is watched by bigger crowds in the leagues he rides in than Ashby ever was. 

    And again, had Ashby been riding in a different format he wouldn't have been anywhere near the hero he was.

    Total rubbish from someone who probably did not see him ride and that comment is insulting to Ashby honestly to TRY to win a debate you don't half scrape the barrel.By the way another one for you to try to talk down Penhall,Gundersen, Grahame,Collins CRADLEY did those four have inflated averages ???? ( only 2 future champs in there) why don't you ask Peter Adams how good those four were.!!!!

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  4. 22 minutes ago, Grand Central said:

    This is SO beyond question.

    Why can't some people get it?

    All i know is most teams in the BL had an in/out number 1 and usually two good heat leaders as well put averages to one side for a moment..Belle Vue ( 1972 )Mauger Collins Sjosten Pusey we saw them our own eye told us that they were good riders.Also go back to the British Finals with the Aussies/ New Zealander's in  mega line ups  your instinct told you they were good riders the level was high.Chunky is SPOT on though and he could well be right nobody can prove it my take on it is go on your own instinct and experience and decide that way.

  5. 6 minutes ago, BWitcher said:

    All good riders but also made to look better by the format at the time. Put them in today's format and suddenly they're classed as decent rather than very good. It's why some of them could consistently get to World Finals and contend, whilst others never really did (not just these but other 'heat leaders' from that era, not just British).

    I would say though Witcher forget averages formats (ect)  those riders rode in a era that was a far higher standard that Tai has ever rode in over here.As Ove pointed out  Tai has never really been pushed in the Uk what i would say is Tai has rode in a mega tough Polish league for years My point is the old British league  was of a high standard  everyweek tough different tracks different challenges  at one time it was the BEST.

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  6. 1 hour ago, OveFundinFan said:

    When trying to determine who is the greatest from the Uk you have to take into account what was going on at different times.  Late 50's-early 60's there were 5 riders starting from 30 yard back - Craven, Briggs, Moore, Knutsson and Fundin - the untouchables, the aliens, call them what you will, it was between them 5, but that competition was HOT, but only one from the UK..  They really were a cut above the rest.    Go into the 70's and the field was MUCH wider, Louis, Jessup, Betts, Simmo, Collins, Ashby, Kennet, Morton, Wilson, Wyer already been mentioned - throw in some fabulous foreigners and becoming a UK world champ became seriously more difficult due to the spread of talent.  Same with the 80's/early 90's.  Now, from the UK, Tai has has had no serious competition from a UK rider, and I got to say, a few years when the number of GP riders that could win a GP series has been depleted.  Not today though, 

    This all makes determining who is the greatest Uk world champ ever very difficult.   I prefer to leave things at that - each era we have had something special, I just treasure that in my mind. We never going to get Craven, Collins, Lee, Woffinden on the same track with the same machines. Just treasure what we have had.

    Think you are spot on OVE i bet you feel privalaged that you have seen so many great riders in your lifetime!!!!.Every rider can only beat what is put in front of him also now the bikes have changed one hell of alot.My few regrets that i have in speedway are that i never saw Craven/ Knutsson ride and that i never saw Fundin and Briggs at there peak.

  7. 27 minutes ago, bruno said:

    Not sure about that Sid id argue that any one of the 15 could win a gp on any given night although I suppose you could argue realistically only maybe half a dozen if that ,could win it overall. Saying that in the one offs there were very few shocks over the years and again realistically only half a dozen had a chance on the night. 

    Just felt the pressure was different Bruno you have a poor Gp you know you can regroup and win the next two to make up.In the old format if you needed 8 to qualify and you had two efs you were in trouble.Hand on heart i believe Tai,Bartosz, Doyley, Magic are the only riders at the moment who can win over a longer format that could change.But as you pointed out generally in the 70s did you ever look farther than Mauger, Olsen, Michanek,Lee,Collins ?

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  8. 7 hours ago, bruno said:

    Will Tai be younger if he wins his 3rd title than what Ivan was when he won his first? Therefore could Tai go on to win 7!

    If he wins seven Bruno that would be great but does that tell you the overall level might not be as tough as some of the other era's.Also with the way the series is now the scoring system (etc) i believe Ivan winning 6 one off finals was alot harder than winning the series as it is now both of course take different qualities to do so.

  9. 3 hours ago, ColinMills said:

    spot on...what a rich vein of riders England had all at the same time...louis, Jessup, betts, simmo, Collins, ashby, kennet, Morton, Wilson, wyer.....and we saw these riders every week, no wonder it thrived

    Spot on Colin you have to take into consideration the era and this era was  a very  very strong one god you were doing very well just to get near a WTC squad.

  10. 2 hours ago, Grachan said:

    If Tai win's 3 titles he will certainly be a contender for best British rider, but I think Peter Craven would still have a pretty good case.

    I never saw Craven ride, but he didn't just win 2 World titles, but he won them in the era of Fundin and Briggs - and may well have gone on to win more for all we know, had he not lost his life.

    I'd say it's between those two though, with Collins and Lee close behind. Lee at his best, however, is probably the best rider I ever saw. But he lacked the consistency and longevity.

    Pretty much how i feel you cannot forget that Craven was about in a very good era Fundin awesome Briggs a force for a long time  he won two titles before his death at 29.Who is to say he would not  of won more titles  Collins and Lee are in the mix and i am in agreement with you the best of Lee was as good as anybody i have ever seen ride.Back to Tai brilliant he deserves every accolade he gets a great rider and i hope he goes on and wins more titles.

  11. On 9/21/2018 at 8:45 AM, flipper11 said:

    Take Brennan away from the comfort of Arlington & he is not that impressive, in fact his away average is only 6.88 against Kinsley's 7.78.

    Brennan was very impressive in that tough championship Ipswich round early in the season  and impressed at Swindon beating Woryna/ Jackobsen he showed great nerve in heat 2 there.

  12. 14 hours ago, g13webb said:

    Always liked to have my twopence worth,     To me those Wembley finals where always special.   every third year,  we never missed one from 55 onwards.   It wasn't that the track was great, or the racing being top notch,   but the atmosphere and the crowd always made it special.   Every race had an angle to it,   the World title was up for grabs.     The Buzz around the place made it an event that will never be bettered... 

    The SGP's are a different animal,   yes, I enjoy them but feel they become much of a muchness.    I would never miss a Wembley Final, but I've missed two rounds this year already..   They don't have the same  cut and thrust approach as the single final did and most riders will adapt it'll do attitude, knowing its points that count at the end of the day.      Its a pity the FIM cant accommodate both,  with a single final being held at the end of the year .

    As for the best British Rider of all time,  Woffy is as good as any I've seen.    Being a die-hard  Lee supporter, its hurts to admit that Woffy is that good.  Its difficult to compare riders from different era's ,   but what make Woffy so special, is he is the only British rider able to compete with the top riders in the world...     I'm hoping Lambert will progress to that stage in the near future.  ....

    Totally agree with everything you said  and as Norbold said all the greats had quality in a different way.Price,Farndon,Craven,Lee, Collins,Williams ( Welsh) Tai you can only beat what is in front of you at the time.I was never a fan of Tai never ever wanted him to be mentioned in the same breath as Lee but you have to.He has grown on me and i have great respect for what he has achieved and I hope it continues with Lambert soon joining him.

  13. I think Madsen deserves to be in it, the series needs to allow fresh blood in and on current form he is certainly a top 16 rider.He also has a good chance of doing well because he is such a good gater will he get in? i have my doubts.I think with Puk and Pedersen( wildcard) he will miss out 3 Danes???

  14. 2 hours ago, ProudtobeaBrummie said:

    Question is which ones will or are capable of stepping  up to a championship reserve birth next season 

    Kemp- already has no brainer .

    Thomas- has been at Glasgow this season possibly a year too early but hopefully they stick with him and kick on

    Flint - could do a job at number 7 possibly for berwick . No Pressure he could chip in with 2/3 points a meeting 

    Mountain/ Hume -  Already relatively established champ riders 

    Bickley - been at workington this season not really kicked on from last season again i think a season to early maybe

     Of the others i expect only Brennan and Jenkins to make the step up in 2019 and it will be tough for them guys also..

    Really interesting what you say for most ask Bickley moving to Championship level how difficult it i s a big ask.Brennan i have seen only once this year see him as a youth rider but he has real ability a nice style.Jenkins is the same he has had a difficult year this year but he will be fine out of the others i like Rowe and Edwards both can move forward.

  15. 7 hours ago, Pinny said:

    I agree, it wont be long until Shawn is on this forum under a new ID. He will eventually get caught out of course. 

    Quite how on earth a disgusting individual like him is being released so soon is worrying. 

    And people like him always reoffend... 

    He' will not come on this forum again in my opinion  I.e.) because he is arrogant and he will stick out like a sore thumb.I never liked him ever but there were others on this forum who  licked his ass Shawn this Shawn that if I had my way i would feed him to the pigs.

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  16. Drew Kemp is the big stand out in 2018 but others have done well and these are the riders that i have kept an eye on.It will be interesting to hear your views on how you feel they are doing.         Kemp- Mountain- Thomas- Rowe- Atkins- Hume- Spooner- Marston- Kinsley - Lawlor- Brennan- Brooks-Edwards-Jenkins any thoughts.?

  17. 8 minutes ago, adonis said:

    I have to agree with Matt K here , the  only one of your candidates I would even consider  is Neil Machin ,  

    Lee Kilby along with Neil Vatcher are the future Kilby has done a great job at Swindon is great  with the kids and is very approachable.Vatcher what  more can you say he  has done a great job with the young  guns and he has helped put us on the road to a bright future.Boocock/ Adams what more can you say about those two as far as i know both have had no real influence on the major decisions of the last 30 years they cannot be associated with failure..Machin well he kept Sheffield afloat in very difficult times and it is down to him that Sheffield speedway is still operating.Forget the five i named  i am sure everybody could name there own five but my main point is with five people they can be made accountable transparency put in place and with five heads you are more and likely agoing to get the right decisions made on the important issues.Speedway is not a sport in my opinion to come into if you have no idea of how it works and how it operates and what breed of people actually go I would say it is one of the most difficult sports to turn around and prosper i think the first thing is to try and get stability back in the sport.

  18. 19 hours ago, MattK said:

    I'm sure the CEO of Domino's will have more ideas about how to market speedway than the current incumbents at the BSPA.

    When Barry Hearn became chairman of the PDC did he change the value of a bull's eye to 75 and introduce a rule where if a player is 100 points down his next three darts count double? Of course not. He was looking at the bigger picture, how to revolutionise the presentation of darts, engaging with sponsors who can bring credibility to the sport and negotiating a multi-million pound TV deal.

    This is the problem with the BSPA. They think they can turn around speedway's fortunes by endless tinkering with the rules, league structures and names. If anything the BSPA are too close to speedway. How often do the likes of the FA, RFU and so on introduce the types of rule changes we see every year in speedway. What the BPSA as the governing body should be doing is looking at the bigger picture not arguing over rule changes every year.

    Does old stadia for most clubs all over the country hold the sport back for me this is the biggest problem.


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