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Arthur 31 yrs, I believe Freddie Williams was 31

"Dirt Track racing" is an american term but even that has changed its now "Flat Track racing". However the term Grass track racing poses a few questions , for many of the early trotting tracks (Australia & New Zealand) had grass surfaces including Maitland. Both the Blackpool and Greenford Trotting tracks had grass surfaces ? so was it Grass track racing?. Grass racing on oval circuits (in England) was the result of the speedway boom of 1928. Many Motorcycle clubs keen to cash in on the speedway boom organised oval grass tracks or Grass speedways as were sometimes known. Prior to 1928 Grass track racing meant something entirely different, no broadsiding, tracks with left and right hand bends of different sizes and shapes, same with the straights., hillside venues were known as Mountain Grass tracks, when the top surface wore out they sometimes laid gravel, now we have "path racing", these grass tracks were also known as Miniature TT, they were the precursor to circuit racing, Brands Hatch being an example. There are examples of beach racing (Oval sand tracks) in England prior to 1928, very very long straights with very tight bends and there are photos of riders broadsiding the corners.

End of 1954 I think ?

Freddie Williams and Arthur Payne

Just to add to the chinese whispers Covatti signs for plymouth and wouldnt mind a place in the prem, only one team not complete?, good friends with Phil Morris and Morris has a good relationship with Brum. Conjecture and rumour keeps this thread going

I had a chat with Andy Grahame who is in the pits most weeks, he said there is no team spirit at PB, 7 individuals, nobody geeing each other up, heads go down and they beat them selves. They let track conditions psyche themselves out. We may have a manager who is tactically savvy but is he a motivator, Hmmmm. Bring back Phil Morris the best manager we ever had. Nielson and Starke aint that bad , something is wrong in the camp?. I have noticed when things get tough most teams have a team huddle to gee things up, not seen one with the Brummies.

Oh God no no no no !!!! Not Hoskins all over again, spare us please. FIM

Alan "Whacker" Hunt, Eric "Little man" Boothroyd

You're welcome. repeating gossip from the uninformed is not a good Idea. I was there last night, track as smooth as a babys botty the only issue was a groove going into turn 3 which filled with soft material it only bothered the oxford riders when the Summer went down and the brummies got a 5-1. there was plenty of dirt on it , John Priest was watering from the early hrs of wed morning ,was watering prior to the start and during the meeting dust did get worse towards the latter part of the meeting. many riders have commented that the track gets better each week, additional shale and clay binder has been added each week. our track man can only prepare the track on race days, he is there till after midnight. you can only put so much water on a bone hard track or it becomes a skating rink. Its a shame that posters can only moan and be negative and cant find anything good to say about yet another exciting meeting with plenty of passing much by the Oxford riders , Troy Batchelor had no probs.

What a load of absolute Tosh

del

Sorry to go off topic, If you repeat a myth often enough it becomes fact, The Brigands name is a bit of Hoskins bull, To beef up an article in a London newspaper he refered to them as the Brigands sounds better than "The Bridge. this is the only ref to that name I have found.

I live just about 4 miles north of the stadium and get the paper every week .

To be pedantic (sorry) I believe the word Pensioners never appeared in a Stamford Bridge prog, they called themselves the "Bridge" a team photo in one of their progs is headed "The Bridge Boys" not pensioners. The pensioner name was attributed by post war journalists who associated the name with Chelsea but they were Stamford Bridge not Chelsea.

Several months ago a new free newspaper the "Chronical" was launched, it is I believe distributed around the whole West Midlands, this week it featured a full page article on Wolverhampton Speedway and there has been a couple of other reports on Wolves. A few months back it featured a full page article on the fight to get Speedway back at Cradley. So far not a single word on the Brummies. This paper is pushed through every letterbox in the districts surrounding the stadium, someone is missing a trick , please note, Mr Tolley

By heck the dismal jimmies are at it again, dead rubber or not fans will turn out to see if we can beat a top club with an attractive team and to see our lads stretch their legs for the first time, in my opinion the weather will be the biggest factor on crowed level.

Track was smooth. Did not see Pearson put in many laps, little 15yr Freddie Hodder was far more impresive , but its early days yet.

Not sure Scunny fans would agree?

Shanes was wearing no.2 at PB this afternoon.

Was only referring to his B,ham rides. His sheffield results dont affect the Brummies

Was at PB this afternoon, track looked good, where were Ellis and Nielson did they clear off after the photo session, dint see them out on the track? Not a fan of Ellis, a gater as far as Im concerened. If I remember correctly his efforts in (2019) Ht15 were less than exemplary, dont give us much chance if it comes down to last ht deciders. Most impressive rider in my opinion was Bulls no.4 15 yr old Freddie Hodder, quick, smooth and in control, pity hes signed for Belle Vue, certainly one to watch. Might go to leics even though Morley is riding, at least there's no dog track and you can stand on the exit of bend 2.

James Pearson. Have we an Ace in the pack.

Just read some total nonsense on wikipedia about John Lloyd supposed brother of Wally and Jeff, he has absolutely no conection to the Lloyd brothers, John Peregrine Francis Lloyd came from a high flying very well off family from Edgbaston, Birmingham. A commitee member of the Birmingham MCC (Greet Motordrome) Also a member of the West Bromwich flying club, flew his Bride to Paris for their honeymoon in his own plane, cant trust Wiki John Peregrine Francis Lloyd, a bio of his life can be found on good ole google

Wally came from Hall Green Birmingham, John Somerfield would be the best man for photos, as he sells copies from his collection

No it was NOT a dust bowl only the patch on B1 , being selective with the photo arnt we