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  1. Crump99

    Peterborough Panthers 2023

    But necessary to communicate or they put the rent up you used to say
  2. Crump99

    Peterborough Panthers 2023

    I do believe that someone had an e-mail exchange so probably that counts?
  3. Crump99

    Peterborough Panthers 2023

    Firstly, that wasn't the impression given on the centre green in Sept 2022 although it would clearly need a fight throughout 2023 to change those circumstances that we were told were needed to give Panthers a 2024 and beyond. And as I've said, credit for giving us a good deal of enjoyment over the closing weeks be we needed that season long fight which has been lacking and is now being ramped up, possibly too late, by the likes of Mick Bratley. Bratters to his credit, fully appreciates that you don't upset this lot when you're working with them for Panthers so it's not surprising to see the excellent working relationship quote "they have been particularly helpful and accommodating during this busy period" Unless they know something that we don't, what hasn't changed is AEPG's responsibilities under: Policy LP36: East of England Showground: Proposals for development should not have an unacceptable adverse impact on the surrounding uses (especially on occupiers of nearby residential properties), and all development should ensure that the character of the area is maintained. A comprehensive master plan in advance of, or alongside, any significant proposals will be required and, if approved by the council in advance, this would become a material consideration in the determination of future planning applications. Such a master plan must demonstrate how the functioning Showground will be retained. The loss of any existing leisure and sports facilities will not be supported unless replacement facilities are provided in accordance with policy Policy LP30: Culture, Leisure, Tourism and Community Facilities LP30: The loss, via redevelopment, of an existing culture, leisure, tourism or community facility will only be permitted if it is demonstrated that: k. The facility is demonstrably no longer fit for purpose and the site is not viable to be redeveloped for a new community facility; or l. The service provided by the facility is met by alternative provision that exists within reasonable proximity: what is deemed as reasonable proximity will depend on the nature of the facility and its associated catchment area; or m. The proposal includes the provision of a new facility of a similar nature and of a similar or greater size in a suitable on or off-site location. Now I'm no expert but there are questions to answer for AEPG/PCC in an alleged open and transparent planning process and those answers potentially need to be challenged? With inadequate answers or justification a new club owner could get 3 seasons at least until a new local plan is adopted in 2026 so I'm not fully convinced by that part either; although it would probably require one or both planning applications being turned down or PCC telling AEPG that they have to honour LP36 & LP30. Not forgetting, from Peterborough Today: The Peterborough Local Plan for 2016-2036 says that 650 homes on the Showground is an acceptable number; though building works might take a decade. The fact that Butterfield is quoted as saying: “We are working with the Speedway fans and owners but we understand the disappointment that the speedway is moving from Peterborough.” does raise some alarm bells because surely that decision is yet to be made or go in their favour?
  4. Crump99

    Peterborough Panthers 2023

    Thanks. I'm just doing my objection to Planning – Application Comments on 23/00412/OUT | Outline permission for up to 650 dwellings (and I encourage everyone else to do the same because the numbers are less than the 850 dwellings objections for some reason) so I'm still fighting but will not be attending the final two requiems that for me sum up the Chapman 2023 purple effort. Perhaps I'm doing him an injustice and he may open up when not under the alleged watchful eye of AEPG (reminds me of the interesting Youtube videos about North Korea I've been watching recently, the fully escorted holiday's are very eye opening if you haven't seen them) but the impression given is that slippers and rocking chair are waiting at the corner of the pits? As for not upsetting the landlords, my mind went back to all of those years ago when Andrew Mercer arrived and had the usual purge on cars within the EoES. I think season tickets were in at that time but he threw them out? The disabled took the brunt as per usual as they were thrown out. It all got very personal and public with, if my memory serves me right, Jim Lynch threatening to take the landlords to court. That even made the local paper I seem to recall? Oh how times have changed.
  5. Crump99

    Peterborough Panthers 2023

    Well a few days on to reflect and my view hasn't changed.
  6. Crump99

    Peterborough Panthers 2023

    I thought that it was you who told me that we were dealing with professionals They are very good at getting others to produce a nice glossy brochure saying all of the right things before pulling the wool over local eyes as they get people to fall for it!
  7. Crump99

    Peterborough Panthers 2023

    Firstly someone on the planning committee (I didn't know when I asked the question), told me in April that it'll go through on the nod (which was just an off the cuff instant reaction to what happens in most council meetings I suspect, planning or not). And to be clear, that one line discussion was all we had Secondly, AEPG have allegedly already provided PCC with a paper about the loss of Peterborough Speedway in terms of the local plan. I don't believe that that is in the public domain which isn't really transparent if it can't be challenged. Thirdly, Butterfield's quote: “We are working with the Speedway fans and owners but we understand the disappointment that the speedway is moving from Peterborough.” - well it's not according to the local plan and without planning approval, so that indicates that he thinks PCC have caved on LP36 & LP 30 and both applications will be nodded through? I may be reading too much in to it but a lot of little bits of information soon paint a big picture.
  8. Crump99

    Peterborough Panthers 2023

    Thought I'd google and see what comes up? Whether this applies in 2023 I don't know but it's interesting: What happens if planning permission is ignored? If you do require planning permission but you proceed without it, you will have committed a planning breach. In the event of a planning breach, you will need to submit a retrospective application to the local council. If this is successful, you will not need to take any further action. My concern is that my local council has all but nodded this through (didn't expect any opposition though) and the planning committee is just a front and tick box exercise for approval. Consider that the planning application was verified on the August Bank Holiday, as well as being told this week that the case officer dealing with this application is on annual leave at the moment and he will reply to you on his return doesn't exactly fill one with confidence!
  9. Crump99

    Peterborough Panthers 2023

    Basically you would imagine that Peterborough City Council would be the first port of call but the fact at a councillor, and someone on our side, is saying that really does beg the question of where indeed do you go? These people are profit orientated professional wreckers of things and with a weak council who've fallen for the vision and brochure, it probably needs equivalent professionals now to answer your question but who knows any or can afford such advice? Anyone sending in an objection could link to LP30 and being "fit for purpose" when the planning application went in but I'm clutching at straws. Urgency is the key though because if AEPG are thinking that then they need to know that there will be consequences, and not the ones that they want.
  10. Crump99

    Peterborough Panthers 2023

    Just been reading another article in Peterborough Today and I must say that I thought that I've read something like that before https://www.peterboroughtoday.co.uk/news/politics/council/council-backed-house-building-company-medesham-homes-that-owns-pleasure-fair-meadow-car-park-is-not-really-fit-for-purpose-and-could-close-4288262
  11. Crump99

    Peterborough Panthers 2023

    If you send a question then think what the answer would be. Do not send anything with an easy get out. These people waffle and use generalities so be careful what you ask. Think I've got a corker so it'll be binned or be unable to be answered because of an ongoing (allegedly) planning case.
  12. Crump99

    Peterborough Panthers 2023

    Bratters has been quoted as saying that he wouldn't be saying anything either if he was in charge. He hasn't any time for AEPG but knows what they are like to deal with so you could be right. Some of us could be chomping on humble pie for a good while? Time will tell!
  13. Crump99

    Peterborough Panthers 2023

    Considering the fans want another few seasons, as is perfectly possible, at the EoES then he did exactly say that. Would have been a bit more convincing if he'd reminded the fans to get their objections in to the AEPG planning applications. That isn't a petition and certainly has the potential to make a difference. Assuming that the process is as open and transparent as we're led to believe?
  14. Crump99

    Peterborough Panthers 2023

    AEPG will try to get out of LP30 and they probably already have so we need to see their evidence as given to PCC: LP30 Existing Culture, Leisure, Tourism and Community Facilities The loss, via redevelopment, of an existing culture, leisure, tourism or community facility will only be permitted if it is demonstrated that: k. The facility is demonstrably no longer fit for purpose and the site is not viable to be redeveloped for a new community facility; or l. The service provided by the facility is met by alternative provision that exists within reasonable proximity: what is deemed as reasonable proximity will depend on the nature of the facility and its associated catchment area; or m. The proposal includes the provision of a new facility of a similar nature and of a similar or greater size in a suitable on or off-site location. I'm not sure how they get out of k & m and their argument in L will, I guess, be Kings Lynn (funny that?) and Leicester but there are many counter arguments on numerous issues (not just speedway) if that is the argument/proposal. If people (including friends and family) haven't objected to 23/00412/OUT | Outline permission for up to 650 dwellings mentioning LP36 East of England Showground and LP30 then they need to get on and do it
  15. Crump99

    Peterborough Panthers 2023

    The problem is that the future of Peterborough Speedway has got wrapped up in a development and planning case. If the East of England Agricultural want their legacy to be the AEPG concrete jungle without Panthers then it's the job of PCC not to be hoodwinked by the developers who have to pay for that on or off site like for like facility.
  16. Crump99

    Peterborough Panthers 2023

    Sorry to say that after last night I have to remove that credit from your man, apologise for having a go at CJ and transfer the credit to him. CJ may not be perfect, who is, but we need some hope, not a speech that got more boos than Crazy Jack Millen and/or Cyril Crane ever did.
  17. Crump99

    Peterborough Panthers 2023

    Agreed. I think that I'm done with it for 2023, hopefully not for good because there is still a fight there and PCC are looking pretty crap, who's surprised, and if people keep the pressure on, don't lose interest and become apathetic as the season ends then who knows where it will lead because there are plenty of questions to be answered concerning AEPG, The East of England Agricultural Society and Peterborough City Council (namely the planning committee and its members). That was a gut shot from Chapman, delivered in the most unbelievably incompetent uncaring fashion, and I'm not sure that I want to turn up again to any operation that he heads.
  18. Crump99

    Peterborough Panthers 2023

    Perhaps Chapman could explain why a year go says here at 1.01 www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1285189478916248 that there is a few more years here yet but has seemingly publically done bugger all season to show that he's making an effort to save us and give us those seasons. The message at the start of the season has been that we're done for, added to that there was no explanation of why the Tomlin deal went down. The the final nail tonight though was when he sounded like the AEPG press officer.
  19. Crump99

    Peterborough Panthers 2023

    Mick Bratley wouldn't be wasting his time if he didn't know what was going on. He certainly doesn't p*** in the wind.
  20. Crump99

    Peterborough Panthers 2023

    Indeed, that message tonight was as subtle as a train wreck and delivered with as much grace as you'd expect when Chapman is announced to be on the mic. AEPG may not wish to negotiate with him but lobbying councillors/MPs etc and keeping the pressure up on PCC and the Showground planning proposals still has the potential to do plenty of damage to them. The truth will out" - Chapman did mention petitions wouldn't work and with the change.org one that's true, but if a PCC one does get off the ground then that's a whole different ball game. I also don't seem to recall Chapman encouraging supporters to get their objections in on both planning applications. Did I miss that bit? Until AEPG get those proposals approved then much is still up for grabs as they are not meeting LP36 & 30 and we have yet to see their reasoning for ignoring the local plan. PCC will have had to have caved in to their reasoning so it will be interesting to see.
  21. Crump99

    Peterborough Panthers 2023

    Indeed my local councillor said that it will go through on the nod, which most such proposals no doubt do; and you can see from much of the PR that the preparatory work has gone on behind the scenes and the planning committee would be expected to just tick a box. However, they don't usually get significant objections, bad publicity and close scrutiny of process and decision making. AEPG certainly don't want that and PCC certainly don't want to justify losing Peterborough Speedway to the city for some future development that will allegedly provide a community facility of greater value, serving more of the community for more of the time (they could make a complex used 365 days of the year incorporating Peterborough Speedway and the Arena, so not viable through lack of use is a weak argument) which provides improved services and facilities for a diverse proportion of the community. It's important to keep the pressure on and not give them all that easy ride due to apathy.
  22. Crump99

    Peterborough Panthers 2023

    https://www.aepguk.com/ (East of England Agricultural Society's current contracted promoter at the Showground) Speedway (from Peterborough Telegraph) “We have worked really closely with the Speedway team and Speedway owners,” Ashley added as the Panthers get set to leave the grandstand. “We’ve been in consultation and open dialogue and have been transparent about the plans and the future. “They have known for many years that the site is earmarked for development and ultimately they would need to move location and find a new home. “We actually extended the period for them to include this season and we managed to push that through and work closely with them to achieve that, so there’s a huge amount of collaboration and support there. “We are working with the Speedway fans and owners but we understand the disappointment that the speedway is moving from Peterborough.” General comments: Peterborough Panthers speedway team informed in 2022 that the 2023 season would sadly have to be their last in the Showground grandstand, as that area is expected to be under different ownership by the time the 2024 Speedway season begins. Sale of the land is expected to be approved by Spring 2024, again subject to planning approval. The spades-in-the-ground date is still unclear until the planning committee decides. Plans are at the outline planning stage now, which will be referred to several more stages of detailed back-and-forth, no doubt, before anything can physically go ahead.
  23. Crump99

    Peterborough Panthers 2023

    It could certainly start a house of cards because "the sale of the land is expected to be approved by Spring 2024, again subject to planning approval"; AEPG are only the current promoter contracted by the East of England Agricultural society so that could go sour; and Peterborough City Council could be stung by the opposition to this unwanted/unpopular development and decide against a concrete jungle in favour of a proper culture, leisure, tourism and community facility for the city and its population that they are rumoured to represent.
  24. Crump99

    Peterborough Panthers 2023

    You didn't get Jason Crump though, that was only an imitation of the real thing who graced the EoES on Friday evenings in the red and black
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