SteveEvans
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14 minutes ago, ray c said:what have that got to do with end of seasons events
Absolutely nothing lol! Looks like I responded to the wrong comment, I meant to respond to one asking why anyone would buy Poole Speedway! Haven't been on the forum in a while must be rusty!
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4 hours ago, ray c said:I find it quite sad when you see all the clubs having end of season events and our club don't have anything not even a rider of the year award .just shows how the interest has faded over the last couple of years
It's been a profitable business for years as it's been Matt Fords main living as far as I recall. No reason it can't become so again.
Or, if it loses money and you have other business interests you can use the losses for taxation advantages potentially.
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Freddie Lindgren
Luke Becker
Broc Nicol
Fill out 2-5 from the existing squad.
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One big league would have to be run at a maximum of current Championship level costs. The bigger worry from the larger teams entering in would be driving up overhead. A fixed payscale is the best way to achieve this but considering the NL fails to do that it is easier said than done. The last think we want is an 18 team league that soon drops to 12 or less as costs get driven up.
18 team league, 17 home fixtures plus Cup of 1-5 gives a full season for all and variety.
Perhaps run 6 man teams to ensure enough riders and extra races so those who DU can at least get some extra heats to make up the income gap.
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19 minutes ago, Humphrey Appleby said:How hard can be it to organise a pairs event?
Venues and overhead likely. One thing we have no idea on is hiw viable these events are for promoter, BSI and FIM. Bums on seats and all that!
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1 hour ago, PHILIPRISING said:FROM what I am hearing BSI are as frustrated as the rest of us because not everything is cut and dried with the FIM but all their ducks are in a row and they will go public asap.
My educated guess is for the second week in June.
Perhaps it would have been better to roll the SWC for 2018 and then during the competition announce the changes for an alternating SWC / SoN during the competition?
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5 hours ago, Col said:Anything? Some of us are planning holidays around this!
I'm trying to plan my life around it. Bit difficult when I don't know where it is, when it is, how many riders we need, how many events and how much $$$ I will need to raise to make up the shortfall!
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We will patiently wait! The Under 21 rule might hike the cost for Team USA if we have to send one from accross the pond!
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It was only a packed stadium because it was in Poland and they were going to win.
Manchester was quite full in 2016!
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Stopping the competiton because Poland are the most likely to win makes as much sense as cancelling the SGP Series when Rickardsson was most dominant.
This years competition was one of the best I have had the pleasure to be involved in.
Three surprise packages in Russia. Latvia, and of course USA.
Denmarks shock elimination
GB winning easily in their semi final without Tai
A packed out stadium for the final
The idea of alternating SWC and Pairs would not be so bad. Speedway has an annual World Cup where in other sports its every four years. Perhaps every two years with Pairs in between would be more ideal?
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Well that meeting looked (on TV) to be an utter borefest.
Still, at least those who went didn't have to endure 90 minutes of mind-numbingly inane drivel from Pearson and Tatum. I truly believe that their boring, often-repeated commentary tonight was the worst ever.
Fair play though to Pete Adams - for putting the chinless wonder Tatum in his place at the end! Tatum's face was a classic.
You sound like you don't like speedway very much!
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But thats how it is now. The EL and the PL us the same averages so the same riders will be in both. To decide you think Coventry have a poor team because you think it should be one big league is an odd way of looking at it. All teams will be the same. At least Danny stands a chance of achieving his average, Swindon are starting 1.5 points under the limit because Jason Doyle cannot possibly attain his average.
I'm saying the team looks on paper as exciting as the 2014 Brummies or the 2016 Lions. Perhaps with the lower standard it will be okay but the selling point of the top league has been big name riders. Obviously Danny did great at the Brit Final and Cardiff last year. Kenneth is very much yesterdays man. For a team that has had many world class #1 it doesn't excite me much. A bigger name #1 and any 5 of 7 named and it would more.
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You have really missed the point.
The AGM set out to top slice the league to reduce the overall cost of running a team. And they have succeeded except for clubs who think it sensible to expend a quarter of their points allocation on one rider. That aside, we are looking at the likes of Danny King as true no.1s. If you want to have an unbeatable rider at your no.1 the maths will kill you. People are very critical of the likes of James Sarjeant. Under the draft system he was making steady progress at reserve. Teams were very much built on two levels and we even changed the race formula to account for this. Then we went for allowing these lads to move into the top 5. For James this did him no favours. This wasn't a natural progression, it was batism of fire. Anyway that was then, this is a new set of rules. Having two reserves on around 5 to 6 points will be a massive advantage. Not only will they make a nonsense of a team with one 2 point reserve and a second weak partner, they will compete with the lower part of any 1-5. Stop talking about our ability to win heat 15, the meeting will be over, in our favour, long before we get there.
Whatever the case. I know this latest track development is worrying. But when we get to March and we're stood (no siiting) on the terraces, get behind those boys who pull on your race jackets and cheer your hearts out. Come May it won't be a False dawn. Trust me I'm a professor.
Danny is a #1 at a lower level league team too. If its time to phase out the star names then run 19 teams at PL level. The variety would make up for the missing stars.
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Perhaps this is just an indication of the leaue strength but this line up reminds me of Birmingham 2014 (poor and went broke) and Leicester 2016 (poor and went broke).
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This forum reminds me a little of the Monty Python sketch, "I Wish To Start An Argument."
No it doesn't
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OF course having to return the money was a huge blow. Having a bumper opening crowd and with it substantial revenue was vitally important for them. It was money they were never going to get again and the loss of four more home meetings, including the traditionally lucrative Good Friday fixture against Wolverhampton was another body blow.
It would appear that it all went pear shaped from then which is why Gordon, rightly or wrongly, lays much of the blame at the door of MCC
He may not be entirely wrong.
That said, they did put themselves in a position by selling the opening night event almost a year ahead. It is not uncommon for construction projects to hit delays and snags, this had been experienced many a time with all of the red tape and slows on the NSS outside of the clubs control over the years. The Swindon model seems to make more sense, run in the old stadium until the new one opens, even if it is during the season. That would have meant no big gala opening (unless they held off to 2017) but it is something in hindsight which may have saved them.
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While the first meeting cancellation was a PR disaster, can't see where the big money loss from that meeting came from , surely they are only returning income that had already been collected.Ok a loss on some riders expenses but what else! Sounds as they did not pay any rent anyway!!
The tickets went on sale 11 months before the event. Quite possible revenue from sales or a portion of helped the club with bills in 2015. Not an uncommon business practice so long as one can deliver and still afford the deliver the product later.
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I definately think we need a Champions League of teams of similar strength. It may be tough to do that with the difference in leagues, not to mention riders who race for two teams. But you could have two groups of four, with 2 from Poland & Sweden and perhaps 1 from UK, Denmark, Czech and Germany. Semi Finals for Top 2 and a grand final in Torun day after the GP. It could be a cool thing!
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I see quite a few teams with Clegg and Williamson at reserve.
Way too weak.
Nothing has changed, like in any season a strong reserve is absolutely vital.
I would agree. Reserves are no longer protected and will have harder races again.
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Freddie 10.09
Harris 9.21
Masters 8.88
Proctor 6.68
Manzares 5.43
Klindt 5.42
Clegg 4.04
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Lindgren 10.09
Musielak 6.34
Thorsell 9.88
Klindt 5.42
Harris 9.69
Anyone that fits... >4.98
Clegg 3.60
Masters is a must.
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WHAT?! People don't want to get married in a speedway stadium?
You'll be telling member that all them pop groups rather than playing on the centre (with the sound down - as no loud noises like fireworks allowed) are choosing to play in indoor arenas too.
I hate saying it but told you so. The whole thing has been a farce from start to end!
As for giving them credit for building it etc. Are you kidding? I could build an £7m stadium with other people's money too!
The old stadium next door was packed to the rafters last Sunday for F1 Stox. Seeing the crowds they get at Coventry for a sport that pays low end prize money this should be looked into a revenue stream I would suggest. I would bet the stadium would be full and get in bigger crowds than speedway. Speedway alone may not be viable even with a clean slate.
Gives a tiny bit of info. We could have it rent free untill work had finished. Then we had to start paying rent which we never did
I was hoping the former owners would get their say. As I suspected, the opening night was the killer blow. Here's the bit I don't get though. David G blames the contractor and council. Now, in the fact that they did not present a product, he may be right. However, they cannot be blamed for the fact that the opening meeting was called off on the day or the loss of revenue. It was up to the experts (the promoters) to ensure that the track was ready to go and if not, they could have cancelled ahead of everyone being in the stadium. That would have given them time to restage the meeting without the flap of travelling fans, petrol and hotel costs. I was informed at the ACU by two of its most senior members two weeks before the meeting that there was no way the track would be ready.
As an analogy, if I had someone build me a house to live in, I'd sure as heck test that the floorboards were safe and sturdy before we move in and the kids start jumping off their beds! If I didn't, it wouldn't be the builders fault if my kids got hurt or worse - as a parent I am responsible for the home enviroment.
Having worked in the business world a while it is not uncommon for construction projects to fall behind schedule or need to be corrected. However, the fact that tickets were on sale about 11 month ahead for a race at a stadium that was no more than a construction site with a targetted completion date is a huge factor. The monies paid in Spring of 2015 could well have been used for 2015 season bills, or even clearing 2014 debts, for example. Had the event been a pay at the door deal then it wouldn't have created the mess it did. But it was an opportunity to raise revenue a year ahead, not an uncommon business practice but a very bad decision in retrospect.
The responsibility for the insolvency of the business lies 100% on whoever within the promotion gave the go ahead to run the meeting versus cancelling ahead of the day and the ensuing disaster. The track was handed over, it should have been extensivey tested and approved and the meeting cancelled at the first note of the problem. Rescheduled a month later, all would have been fine.
I do not feel that DG or CM are bad people at all. Mort is a wonderful guy, I don't really know David. But big business mistakes can cost and this one was a whopper.
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Cracking occasion though. But is it worth devaluing all that has gone before?
You say the play offs devalue all that has gone before it? I see it that fans who don't grasp the concept over value all that went before it!
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Off the cuff..
Run 20 heats as no, but put top 3 on points straight to final. 4-7 do a Last Chance qualifier for the last spot. Points would be 6,5,4,3 for final, with 2 for 2nd and one for 3rd of LCQ.
Go back to old GP Challenge format - run it after final round, include the bottom 7 in GP plus 9 qualifiers. Top 7 go to next years series, no nominated wild cards!
Qualifying format an Intercontinental final to determine the 9 to join the bottom 7.
5 from Overseas Final (Brits, Aussies, Yanks, Kiwis)
5 from Scandanavian Final
6 from Continental Final (Poles, Germans, Czechs, Slovenia, Latvia, Italy, etc)
These finals are fed via National Championship qualifiers like the old days.
The qualifying races would therefore have TV appeal (especially the challenge)
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My hopes on the AGM
1. A limit to the number of team changes each can make per year. This year was ridiculous.
2. Limit double up to British riders and foreigners who only race in the UK only.
3. Return the 3rd tier to a development league that pays only the basic pay rate (thus encouraging first and second tier venues to track a second team).
4. Have The Championship have more league fixtures and get rid of the Shield (give each club a more predictable number of fixtures, 10 league home matches is too low).
Just my thoughts.