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  1. fatface

    Your First World Final

    1983, 1985, 1987, 1990, 1992 1990 was probably the most entertaining. But it was great to see a British winner (Havelock) in Poland. 1983 and 1987 both pretty forgettable. The ride that stuck with me most though was Gundersen going round both Moran and King in 1985 in heat 20....the ride of a true champion.
  2. fatface

    The Good Year

    Although they finished 2nd in the League, KO Cup, League Cup and Premiership I enjoyed 1984 at Hyde Road too. Although we hammered most teams, the team was an exciting one, the racing was great and we had the uniquely brilliant moment when PC and Mort won the World Pairs, plus Mort also won the BLRC. Down in Devon, I enjoyed following the 1989 Exeter Falcons. Steve Regeling became a class no1, Richard Green was thrill a minute, they actually won some matches on the road and had an epic cup tie with Berwick.
  3. Yep, the boy done good. But three World Finals is probably a bit sub-par for his abilities. I just think 85 was pivotal really...the year following a decent World Final debut...he was banned from the World Championship. Then in winning the WLT that same year, he made himself hot property (and very well paid) on the continent....and that tipped the balance. I get it entirely. But there's no doubt his speedway suffered.
  4. The Wiggy of 83/84 looked so hungry and sharp and destined to be at the sharp end for years. Looking back, the ban he had from international speedway in 85 coupled with winning the World Long Track that same year completely changed the direction of his career. I’m not sure speedway ever became an absolute priority again. I remember him going out of the World Champs at the Commonwealth Final one year and he was really poor. Sticking with long trackers, did Marcel Gerard ever give speedway a go? Pretty remarkable that a guy from Switzerland could win the WLT.
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    Richie Worrall statement

    It's one thing posting something dodgy on social media, it's another when you are under suspension for a drugs offence. I've urged a bit of compassion in this issue as young men frequently do silly things and shouldn't be burned at the stake for a first time offence. But posting about it and undermining the whole process afterwards is, frankly, stupid. I won't go into the details, but a long time ago, I had a quite traumatic experience of someone close being spiked. It does happen. However, if you are a professional sportsperson, then part of that professionalism is being extra vigilant on what enters your body. I have been on senior management teams alongside elite athletes and its is absolutely drummed into them again and again to be vigilant and examine every little ingredient of every medication. Athletes don't consume anything unless they are sure of its safety to the point of paranoia, eg. only drinking sealed bottled water when they are personally breaking the seal. Speedway being speedway, its unlikely such professionalism occurs. The problem for the authorities is that they cannot go on the "how" of drugs cases, they can only go on the "what". That means sportspeople have to be held accountable for what is in their bodies, end of. If they are let off for being "spiked" or "never knowingly ingesting", then that sets a precedent for all future drugs cases. He may have taken drugs, he may have been clumsy. Either way he needs to own it and learn a harsh lesson.
  6. fatface

    Drugs - Just Say No!

    There's some well intentioned posts here, but most suggestions are not workable. To suggest testing every rider at every meeting is not only unaffordable and impractical, it defeats the whole object. These riders got busted not because they knew they would get tested, it's because they didn't know they would be tested. That's why it has to be random, so riders know it could happen at any time. Plus, just testing at meetings/competitions in sport is not enough. There is obviously wholesale testing at the Olympics, but anyone who turns up the Games with drugs in their system is not only a cheat, but a complete idiot too. The real cheating is done beforehand away from the testers, months ahead in training. That's why out-of-competition random testing is key. Yes, random testing at meetings should be part of it, but better to have random tests away from meetings for those with bad intentions. I have to say, I also don't think drugs in speedway is a big a problem as some are making out. I don't think there's any clear evidence that drug taking is widespread nor is it clear it even improves or impairs performance in the sport. There's been a handful of cases. But that's it. If folk are looking for a time when drugs were more common in the sport, probably the 80s when the Morans, Bobby Schwartz, Gary Guglielmi, Steve Payne, Michael Lee, Gary Havelock, Mitch Shirra all got into trouble. I think their cases, just like these, were a case of young men doing something daft with social drugs. Just like they do in wider society. Of course they should all be sanctioned because sport only works when its a level playing field, but let's not get too carried away.
  7. fatface

    Richie Worrall statement

    It's a moot point. If the official tester found an illegal substance in your body, then that's what the authorities must go on. Any other test is irrelevant.
  8. fatface

    Richie Worrall statement

    You did say: "Doesn't deserve his racing license back." So you were advocating a life-time ban and him being permanently stripped of his living. Do you not believe in rehabilitation and second chances for first time offenders? As for whether he put others at risk, I don't think the science is clear enough to make that statement. Cocaine has been used as a performance enhancer by some athletes as a way to increases alertness and confidence. Some say it encourages greater risk taking. In this case he hasn't caused harm to anyone but himself and the wider evidence on the effect of cocaine is unclear on sport performance. I think we can agree that either way, sport needs to be a level playing field and the use of drugs should not be tolerated.
  9. fatface

    Richie Worrall statement

    Great. That's clearer and fairer. Thanks for clarifying. No one knows what was said in the hearing and the exact circumstances. What is clear is that he made a bad mistake and deserves punishment for it. I just find the lifetime ban stuff some are rolling out for a first time offence quite ridiculous. I doubt whether all those throwing stones now are not without sin either. Everyone deserves a second chance, it's up to Richie Worrall draw some harsh lessons from this episode and take his second chance.
  10. fatface

    Richie Worrall statement

    Potential employer? So, never be allowed to work again ever anywhere? This is the next level from those who want a lifetime ban from speedway. Maybe rethink that in the cold light of day. Very good
  11. fatface

    Richie Worrall statement

    Then let me clarify for you. I'm saying taking his livelihood away for good is not appropriate, as some are suggesting. He's made a mistake, he's been rightly punished. Boxall is a repeat offender and deserves much harsher treatment. Of course Worrall should know better. Now he does. People make mistakes in life. This is a big one and he's been punished and - in the eyes of some - will be tarnished forever. There will always be plenty of folk charging out of the door with their pitch forks shouting "burn him", particularly in the extreme black and white media world folk inhabit. Real life doesn't work that way. As far as I know Richie Worrall doesn't have a track record of misdemeanors, so let's been grown up about it and not treat him like some leper.
  12. fatface

    Richie Worrall statement

    Hmm. Are you so damning on all those rock stars you admire? We don't know the detail of this. The statement is not very revealing. What were the circumstances behind these substances being in their system? Has Worrall pleaded guilty or not? From what we do know, Boxall is a repeat offender, so its a pattern of behaviour and he didn't bother to defend it, so he deserves the book thrown at him. For Worrall, it's his first time, he defending himself and he's been punished. Young men make mistakes and deserve a second chance, hopefully he will learn from it.
  13. Yep. I think you guys are right. It's less about those who didn't quite win the big ones and more those, who never really 100% went for it, despite their obvious ability. Staying with Swedes, I'd pick out Erik Stenlund. Obviously a highly accomplished motorcyclist, winning the World Ice Speedway in Moscow is some achievement, plus also good enough to finish 4th in the World Long Track and be Swedish Champion in speedway. If he'd focussed purely on speedway and came to Britain for more than just some cameo appearances, he could have been a real force. I would have liked to have seen plenty more of this... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnBBUn3pbf4
  14. In the GP era, I would say Ryan Sullivan, Mikael Max/Karlsson, Andreas Jonsson might all reflect they could have done better. All were capable. In the 1980s, Dennis Sigalos was at least on a par with Nielsen and Gundersen before a career-ending injury. I'd also pick out Lance King as another who could have done better. Great first season in UK in 82, World Finalist in 83, one ride from the title in 84 and third place, he looked destined to be a major force for years. But I think the averages did for him, when Cradley had to pick between him and Gundersen and his career just seemed to lose momentum after that. I think if he would have had that settled base at Cradley like Penhall before him and Gundersen, Hamill and Hancock, then he would have done a lot better than he ultimately did. At a lower level, I think Mark Courtney had all the ability, but not the application. As for Dave Jessup, I agree with Simmo on the engine failures, it was too frequent on big occasions to be down to pure bad luck (78 WF, 81 WFx2, 82 WF, 81 WTC, 83 WTC). And if he HAD won his first ride in 78, would he have held it together for the rest of the meeting? I don't know...when he did win his crucial first ride in 1980 against Lee, he dropped points thereafter.
  15. fatface

    SGP wild cards 2024

    True dat. Also, in Sayfutdinov's case, he's had ten cracks at the World Championship and never won it. I don't argue that he is top class, but he's a unlikely World Champion at this stage of his career. Laguta is a more interesting case. Just my opinion of course, but in the year he did win it, he frequently ventured beyond calculated risk and was often outright dangerous. I don't think he could repeat that.
  16. fatface

    SGP wild cards 2024

    Agree. A lot of hyperbole over this being the "worst line up ever" and the like. It isn't perfect, but it's still very good. With Zmarzlik we have an all-time great, Woffinden and Doyle two highly capable ex-World Champions, hardened contenders and proven GP winners like Madsen, Vaculik, Lindgren....younger contenders for medals like Holder, Bewley, maybe even Lambert? If people are determined to find the weaker GP years, probably 2013 at the end of the Rickardsson/Crump/Pedersen/Gollob era when Tai was able to come in as a wild card and win the whole damn thing. Unimaginable today. And in overall World Championship speedway, then you'd be hard pressed to beat 1989. Injuries and a flawed qualifying system meant we had a World Final missing Ermolenko, Moran, Knudsen, Jonsson, Pedersen, Nilsen...and instead had Tyrvainen, Olsson, Smith, Riss, Butler, Maier, Adorjan, Brhel. Not so good old days.
  17. fatface

    SGP wild cards 2024

    Can’t argue with that. Saying Woffinden should be gone is like saying Hamilton and Alonso should be out of F1. All time greats, probably past their best, but still comfortably among the elite.
  18. fatface

    SGP wild cards 2024

    I don’t think he will win it again. But as a three time champion, he’s earned the benefit of the doubt.
  19. fatface

    SGP wild cards 2024

    “Woke” !? ”Never watching it again!” Jeez, the drama queens are out in force on this one. Let’s see if they are not watching it next year and they back up their big words with action: Of course Laguta and Saifutdinov are among the best in the world. I get that. But the isolation of Russia from international sport (in many cases). I get that too. There are.bigger things than speedway.
  20. fatface

    Torun 2023

    Yes, that's true. He really didn't seem to enjoy someone else winning six titles too and couldn't resist undermining the GP system. Then again, being at the very top level in most sports requires a certain level of ego and unwavering self-esteem. It's a big part of what made Mauger who he was.
  21. fatface

    SGP wild cards 2024

    Also worth noting that Gundersen's World Final average is 11.55. Nielsen's is 11.26.
  22. fatface

    SGP wild cards 2024

    Maybe. I think in the late 60s/early 70s, it was just about fit for purpose. But by the time of mid 70s onwards, I don't think the Poles, Czechs and the rest were competitive. Jiri Stancl, solid as he was, is a NINE-TIME world finallist. Shawn Moran, Phil Crump, Kelly Moran, Malcolm Simmons all got to just three finals each. There were loads of years where some of the Continental WF qualifiers would have struggled to get through a British Semi Final.
  23. fatface

    Torun 2023

    Yes. As well as he has done and as good as he is, he is not going to get any better and is not going to get the better of Zmarzlik. That's obvious enough by now isn't it?
  24. fatface

    Torun 2023

    Agree. There are a lot of contenders who are really on the downward curve of their career....Doyle and Lindgren are in that pack, Woffinden too. Zmarzlik could get to 8 or 9 titles in the coming years unless Holder or Bewley step up.
  25. fatface

    SGP wild cards 2024

    Hmmm. World Final head-to-head record was 8-3 to Erik, including two run-offs for the title. You can make a valid case for Nielsen having a better career record. But I think its pretty clear Erik was better when it came to crunch-time between the two. As for Zmarzlik's place in history, I think he's one of the greatest ever. There are no mugs in the GPs, as there were in many World Finals. There's no Petr Ondrasiks or Robert Slabons. I don't think there many - if any - World Finals where you could make a valid case that all the world's best were present. He's proved himself the best of the era and not just in what he has won, also the way he does it. He can win from the front, win from the back, on any type of track and in pressure situations. And you honestly can't say that of a lot of all-time greats. He's a tremendous rider.
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