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Does any member recall a period in the late 1950s when Wimbledon for a few meetings staged second-half races for standard-type road bikes? Offhand I think they were described as stock bike races. The best rider was Pete Rogers. Can anyone recall other race participants. I would also like confirmation that the bike engines were 500cc. 

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Here's some nostalgia - riders who made up the Wimbledon teams between 1929 and 1939:

1929: As a club Wimbledon were members of the Southern League: Among riders who appeared there were Hilary Buchanan, Cec Brown, Sid Chambers, Fred Cooper, Clem Cort, Dudley Cox, Les Dearth, Dank Ewen, Del Forster, Bert Gerrish, Jack Kidwell, John Leete, Fred Osborne, Alf Sawford, Mart Seiffert, Eddie Slade-Jones, Stan Spencer, Jimmy Stevens, Alf Summersby, Rube (Sonny) Wilson, Jim Kempster and Vic Huxley. NOTE: not all these riders appeared in the Southern League action. 

1930 Southern League: WIMBLEDON: Jim Kempster (Capt), Dicky Case, Mark Seiffert, Del Forster, Bert Gerrish, Billy Lamont, Len Parker, Alf Sawford, Ray Tauser, Harold Crook, Dudley Cox, Les Dearth, Vic Deale, Nick Carter, Jack Kelly, Ivor Hill.

1931 Southern League:WIMBLEDON - Richard (D) Case, Ernie Evans, Ivor Hill, Vic Huxley, Jim Kempster, Stan Lemon, Len Parker, Claude Rye, Len Stewart, Ray Tauser, Arthur Westwood, Reg Etherington, Bert Gerrish, Billy Lamont, Jack Sykes, Bill Clibbett, thingy Forster, Dicky Maybrook, Alf Sawford, Charlie Spinks.

1932 Ntional League: WIMBLEDON - Richard (D) Case, Con Cantrell, Billy Dallison, Percy Dunn, Ivor Hill, Vic Huxley, Billy Lamont, Len Parker, Claude Rye, Ray Tauser, Stan Lemon, Fred Leavis, xx Cztecho, Frank Bond, Mick Murphy, Wally Hull, Bunny Wilcox, D Hutchings, Wally Little, Alf Sawford.

1933 National League: WIMBLEDON: Vic Huxley, Geoff Pymar, Wal Phillips, Gus Kuhn, Sid Jackson, Claude Rye, Alf Sawford, Fred Leavis, Ron Howes, Stan Lemon, Rube Wilson, Charlie Traynor, Sam Marsland, Jack Chapman. Ivor Hill. Dicky Hutchings. Reg Stanley. Arthur Warwick. Wal Phillips, Howard Traynor, Frank Arthur, Frank Bond, Ted Bravery, Charles Blacklock, Keith Harvey, Wally Hull, Tiger Lewis, Billy Lamont, Mick Murphy, Dicky Smythe, Bill Stanley, Ray Tauser, Harry Walther, Rube Wilson, Dicky Wise.

1934 National League: WIMBLEDON: Vic Huxley, Geoff Pymar, Claude Rye, Sid Jackson, Wal Phillips, Gus Kuhn, Fred Leavis, Alf Sawford, 'Wild' Bill Rogers, Ron Howes, Stan Lemon, Horace Rye, xx La Fleure, Wally Little, Sam Marsland, Ivor Hill, Horace Rye, Rube Wilson.

1935 National League: WIMBLEDON: Vic Huxley, Geoff Pymar, Wal Phillips, Gus Kuhn, Sid Jackson, Claude Rye, Jack Sharpe, Bill Rogers, Eric Collins, Bert Spencer, Ron Howes, Alf Sawford, Wal Morton, Arthur Westwood, Wally Little, Keith Harvey, Stan Lemon, Fred Leavis.

1936 National League: WIMBLEDON: Vic Huxley, Geoff Pymar, Wal Phillips, Gus Kuhn, Claude Rye, Jack Sharp, Wal Morton, Eric Collins, Bill Rogers, Bert Spencer, Sid Jackson, Syd Edmonds, Ron Howes, Will Lowther.

1937 National League: WIMBLEDON: Claude Rye, Geoff Pymar, Eric Collins, Jack Sharp, Byrd McKinney, Miny Waln, Alfred Rumrich, Wilbur Lamoreaux, Sid Jackson, Ron Howes, Reg Vigor, Bill Rogers, Bert Spencer, Eric French, Wally Key, Gus Kuhn, Fred Leavis, Wally Little, Wally Lloyd, Wal Morton, Wilf Plant, Rol Stobbart.

1938 National League: WIMBLEDON - Wilbur Lamoreaux, Eric Collins, Geoff Pymar, Benny Kaufman, Bert Spencer, Wally Little, Wally Lloyd, Nobby Key, Norman Evans, Fred Leavis, Ron Howes, Les Webbon, Ray Taylor, Eric French.

1939 National League: DIVISION ONE WIMBLEDON - Wilbur Lamoreaux, Wally Lloyd, Vic Duggan, Geoff Pymar, Eric Collins, Nobby Key, Crocky Rawding, Fred Leavis, Eric French, Les Webbon, Wally Key, Ron Mason.

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1 hour ago, gustix said:

Here's some nostalgia - riders who made up the Wimbledon teams between 1929 and 1939:

1929 Southern League: WIMBLEDON: Hilary Buchanan, Cec Brown, Sid Chambers, Fred Cooper, Clem Cort, Dudley Cox, Les Dearth, Dank Ewen, Del Forster, Bert Gerrish, Jack Kidwell, John Leete, Fred Osborne, Alf Sawford, Mart Seiffert, Eddie Slade-Jones, Stan Spencer, Jimmy Stevens, Alf Summersby, Rube (Sonny) Wilson plus Jim Kempster and Vic Huxley after Star riders were allowed in. NOTE: Cort, Foster and Spencer also appeared for Harringay.

Not sure where you get this from but Clem Cort neither appeared for Wimbledon nor Harringay in the Southern League as far as I know.He did though ride most of the Southern League fixtures for White City London.....

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1 hour ago, iris123 said:

Not sure where you get this from but Clem Cort neither appeared for Wimbledon nor Harringay in the Southern League as far as I know.He did though ride most of the Southern League fixtures for White City London.....

I know he appeared for White City in a Southern League match at Harringay on September 21...

Steve

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Here's a previous message from a much respected speedway historian norbold in regard to the 1929 Wimbledon team:

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  •  Posted August 27, 2009 Hilary Buchanan, Cec Brown, Sid Chambers, Fred Cooper, Clem Cort, Dudley Cox, Les Dearth, Dank Ewen, Del Forster, Bert Gerrish, Jack Kidwell, John Leete, Fred Osborne, Alf Sawford, Mart Seiffert, Eddie Slade-Jones, Stan Spencer, Jimmy Stevens, Alf Summersby, Rube (Sonny) Wilson plus Jim Kempster and Vic Huxley after Star riders were allowed in.
  • :::: Cort, Foster and Spencer also appeared for Harringay.
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10 minutes ago, gustix said:

Here's a previous message from a much respected speedway historian norbold in regard to the 1929 Wimbledon team:

norbold     1,531

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  •  Posted August 27, 2009 Hilary Buchanan, Cec Brown, Sid Chambers, Fred Cooper, Clem Cort, Dudley Cox, Les Dearth, Dank Ewen, Del Forster, Bert Gerrish, Jack Kidwell, John Leete, Fred Osborne, Alf Sawford, Mart Seiffert, Eddie Slade-Jones, Stan Spencer, Jimmy Stevens, Alf Summersby, Rube (Sonny) Wilson plus Jim Kempster and Vic Huxley after Star riders were allowed in.
  • :::: Cort, Foster and Spencer also appeared for Harringay.

As far as I can see it makes no mention of Southern League.Cort rode a challenge match for Wimbledon and also one for Harringay.Strange that no mention is made of all the meetings he did ride in the Southern League for White City.Maybe you have taken this list out of context?

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Researching a little more, I found another resource (a pretty comprehensive account of the early leagues, that was published on compact disc), that as far as the 1929 Southern League is concerned, shows no trace of Clem Cort riding for Harringay and Wimbledon.

Steve

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6 minutes ago, chunky said:

Researching a little more, I found another resource (a pretty comprehensive account of the early leagues, that was published on compact disc), that as far as the 1929 Southern League is concerned, shows no trace of Clem Cort riding for Harringay and Wimbledon.

Steve

Not only that.I see no evidence that Forster,Ewen,Buchanan or Spencer ever rode an official meeting in the Southern League for the Dons that season.Maybe gustix can point us to those meetings?

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1 hour ago, iris123 said:

As far as I can see it makes no mention of Southern League.Cort rode a challenge match for Wimbledon and also one for Harringay.Strange that no mention is made of all the meetings he did ride in the Southern League for White City.Maybe you have taken this list out of context?

 

35 minutes ago, chunky said:

Researching a little more, I found another resource (a pretty comprehensive account of the early leagues, that was published on compact disc), that as far as the 1929 Southern League is concerned, shows no trace of Clem Cort riding for Harringay and Wimbledon.

Steve

Good work guys! So far as checking how the originator of the team lists obtained his facts is impossible! It was not myself  but the late Bryan Tungate who sadly passed away some years ago. The other recipient was norbold but again I have no idea where he obtained his information either.

As I see matters, the 1929 item does not specify that all riders listed raced in Southern League matches. More that the club were then members of the Southern League and that the riders detailed were associated with Wimbledon. 

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4 minutes ago, gustix said:

 

As I see matters, the 1929 item does not specify that all riders listed raced in Southern League matches. More that the club were then members of the Southern League and that the riders detailed were associated with Wimbledon. 

Quite misleading though to state riders who made up the Wimbledon teams.Then in bold Southern League 1929...then a few riders who never rode for Wimbledon in the Southern League In 1929 !!!

Plus in Corts case to list Wimbledon and Harringay and not the actual team he did ride Southern League

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2 hours ago, chunky said:

Researching a little more, I found another resource (a pretty comprehensive account of the early leagues, that was published on compact disc), that as far as the 1929 Southern League is concerned, shows no trace of Clem Cort riding for Harringay and Wimbledon.

Steve

 

2 hours ago, iris123 said:

Not only that.I see no evidence that Forster,Ewen,Buchanan or Spencer ever rode an official meeting in the Southern League for the Dons that season.Maybe gustix can point us to those meetings?

Don't shoot the messenger!! The team details as I have previously specified were collated by the late Bryan Tungate who passed away some years ago. By all means point out any likely errors, then if needed - as seems likely in this case - corrections can be made. 

Debate in a rational collective way not personalise everything. 

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2 minutes ago, gustix said:

 

Don't shoot the messenger!! The team details as I have previously specified were collated by the late Bryan Tungate who passed away some years ago. By all means point out any likely errors, then if needed - as seems likely intros case - corrections can be made. 

But you keep posting the lists even after it has previously been pointed out they are not correct

The whole point of history research and postings is to control,question and correct mistakes. Not ignore and repost mistakes

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34 minutes ago, iris123 said:

But you keep posting the lists even after it has previously been pointed out they are not correct

The whole point of history research and postings is to control,question and correct mistakes. Not ignore and repost mistakes

Are you suggesting then that I revert to the Posting detailing the 1929 team and make corrections there! In a Post that was compiled as such by  the late Bryan Tungate based it appears on data originally provided by the much respected historian and speedway author norbold?

More of interest, as you seemingly know so much in regard to the 1929 Wimbledon team why don't you provide a detailed list of their riders for that season. Based on all the amendments you suggest be made it would appear you have such data to hand,

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8 minutes ago, gustix said:

Are you suggesting then that I revert to the Posting detailing the 1929 team and make corrections there! In a Post that was compiled as such by  the late Bryan Tungate based it appears on data originally provided by the much respected historian and speedway author norbold?

More of interest, as you seemingly know so much in regard to the 1929 Wimbledon team why don't you provide a detailed list of their riders for that season. Based on all the amendments you suggest be made it would appear you have such data to hand,

All I am saying John is you just post things you don’t check.This list a couple of times even after it was pointed out Clem Cort didn’t ride for Wimbledon in the Southern League.Posting a link to an article stating Wembley hosted the 1985 World Final etc,etc !!!!

Why Not Check things before posting?And why post things after they have been questioned as false?

So,yes.Imo shoot the messenger and quickly!!!

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2 hours ago, iris123 said:

But you keep posting the lists even after it has previously been pointed out they are not correct

The whole point of history research and postings is to control,question and correct mistakes. Not ignore and repost mistakes

Please note. There is an amendment in the first Post relative to the composition of the 1929 team.

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