Guest Posted January 3, 2020 28 minutes ago, gustix said: I assume you refer to Peter White's 'Australian Speedway World' and not the UK's once much respected but sadly many years closed 'Speedway and Stock Car World'? Over the years they had two top writers in the now sadly both departed Cyril J Hart and Peter Arnold. What's the confusion iris123? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iris123 20,936 Posted January 5, 2020 The 1937 Derby meeting results Ht 1. B.Wilkinson, T.Croombs, S.Langton Ht 2. W.Little, C.parkinson, A.Fenn Ht 3. V.Huxley, N.Parker Ht 4. V.Duggan, B.McKinney, J.Parker Ht 5. W.Lamoreaux, R.Sulway, D.Case Ht 6. J.Milne, J.Chigwell Semi 1 Wilkinson, McKinney, Little Semi 2. Huxley, Parkinson, Duggan Semi 3. Lamoreaux, J.Milne Final . Wilkinson, Milne, Huxley, Lamoreaux Under adverse conditions, Bluey Wilkinson, after a hard fought battle with Jack Milne won the World's Speedway Derby at the Showground on sunday night. For the last half lap of the race Wilkinson rode on a flat tyre. Wilkinson kept the lead from start to finish.The American Milne was always on his tail. The winners time of 61 sec was the fastest of the night. Vic Duggan, who at the start of the season was riding as a novice did well to beat Byrd McKinney and Jack Parker in the 4th heat, but was eliminated in the semi. He led the field in the consolation scratch, his time was 44.2 for 2 laps Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iris123 20,936 Posted January 7, 2020 The format was changed for 1938 Ht 1. B.Wilkinson, C.Mitchell, B.Pitcher Ht 2. J.Milne, C.Parkinson, J.Hancock Ht 3 A.Staham, B.Rogers Ht 4. W.Lamoreaux, W.Lloyd, N.Evans Ht 5. C.Mitchell, B.Pitcher, C.Parkinson Ht 6. J.Parker, D.Sulway, B.Longley Ht 7. B.Wilkinson, C.Spinks, S.Shuetrim Ht 8. J.Milne, A.Statham, B.Rogers Ht 9. W.Lamoreaux, B.Pitcher, F.Dolan Ht 10. B.Rogers, C.Parkinson, R.Duggan Ht 11. J.Milne, C.Mitchell, C.Spinks Ht 12. A.Statham, B.Longley, J.Parker Ht 13. B.Wilkinson, B.Rogers Ht 14. J.Milne, W.Lamoreaux, A.Menzies Ht 15. J.Parker, B.Pitcher, N.Evans Ht 16. A.Staham, C.Mitchell, W.Lloyd Ht 17. W.Lamoreaux, C.Spinks, D.Sulway Ht 18. B.Wilkinson, J.Hancock Top 4 scorers Milne + Wilkinson 12pts, Lamoreaux + Staham 11 pts, qualified for final Final J.Milne, Lammy, Bluey, Statham Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted January 7, 2020 This IMO is the definitive website in regard to unofficial and official world championships: http://www.speedwaychampions.com/world-champions.php Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iris123 20,936 Posted January 7, 2020 No doubt about it, but I am trying to fill in the gaps and put out information that I haven't seen elsewhere. I have tried to contact Britmet ( we make on-off contact when either needs a bit of help) over the past couple of weeks with no luck. Hope he is just enjoying a break Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mickthemuppet 976 Posted January 7, 2020 On 1/5/2020 at 2:52 PM, iris123 said: The 1937 Derby meeting results Ht 1. B.Wilkinson, T.Croombs, S.Langton Ht 2. W.Little, C.parkinson, A.Fenn Ht 3. V.Huxley, N.Parker Ht 4. V.Duggan, B.McKinney, J.Parker Ht 5. W.Lamoreaux, R.Sulway, D.Case Ht 6. J.Milne, J.Chigwell Semi 1 Wilkinson, McKinney, Little Semi 2. Huxley, Parkinson, Duggan Semi 3. Lamoreaux, J.Milne Final . Wilkinson, Milne, Huxley, Lamoreaux Under adverse conditions, Bluey Wilkinson, after a hard fought battle with Jack Milne won the World's Speedway Derby at the Showground on sunday night. For the last half lap of the race Wilkinson rode on a flat tyre. Wilkinson kept the lead from start to finish.The American Milne was always on his tail. The winners time of 61 sec was the fastest of the night. Vic Duggan, who at the start of the season was riding as a novice did well to beat Byrd McKinney and Jack Parker in the 4th heat, but was eliminated in the semi. He led the field in the consolation scratch, his time was 44.2 for 2 laps I wonder how accurate these reports are when it says half a lap with a puncture and the fastest time of the evening and in the last heat as well 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iris123 20,936 Posted January 7, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, mickthemuppet said: I wonder how accurate these reports are when it says half a lap with a puncture and the fastest time of the evening and in the last heat as well Absolutely. Wondered about that myself, but race times were always hit and miss and to an extent still are Edited January 7, 2020 by iris123 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Midland Red 2,383 Posted January 8, 2020 On 1/3/2020 at 3:41 PM, gustix said: A series of World Championships were held at the Buffalo Stadium, Paris, France, circa 1929 to 1936. Offhand, I think that among its winners were Jack Parker, Jean Landru, Leo Killmayer and Charles 'Pee Wee' Cullum. In 2015, John, you posted this: French staged World Championships - 1929-37: at the Buffalo Stadium, Paris. ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: 1929 - 1 Charles Bellisent (France) 1930 - 1 Charles Bellisent (France) 1931 meeting 1 - 1.Billy Lamont (Australia) 1931 meeting 2 - 1.Vic Huxley (Australia) 1932 meeting 1 - 1.Jack Parker (England) 1932 meeting 2 - 1.Bluey Wilkinson (Australia), 2.Billy Lamont (Australia) 1933 - Claude Rye (England), 2.Leopold Killmeyer (Austria) 1934 meeting 1 - 1.Fernand Meynier (France), 2.Leopold Killmeyer (Austria) 1934 meeting 2 - 1.Jean Landru (France) 1935 - 1 - Billy Lamont (Australia), 2.Leopold Killmeyer (Austria) 1936 - 1 - Charles ‘Pee Wee’ Cullum (USA) 1937 - 1 - Martin Schneeweiss (Austria) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted January 8, 2020 On 1/5/2020 at 2:52 PM, iris123 said: The 1937 Derby meeting results Ht 1. B.Wilkinson, T.Croombs, S.Langton Ht 2. W.Little, C.parkinson, A.Fenn Ht 3. V.Huxley, N.Parker Ht 4. V.Duggan, B.McKinney, J.Parker Ht 5. W.Lamoreaux, R.Sulway, D.Case Ht 6. J.Milne, J.Chigwell Semi 1 Wilkinson, McKinney, Little Semi 2. Huxley, Parkinson, Duggan Semi 3. Lamoreaux, J.Milne Final . Wilkinson, Milne, Huxley, Lamoreaux Under adverse conditions, Bluey Wilkinson, after a hard fought battle with Jack Milne won the World's Speedway Derby at the Showground on sunday night. For the last half lap of the race Wilkinson rode on a flat tyre. Wilkinson kept the lead from start to finish.The American Milne was always on his tail. The winners time of 61 sec was the fastest of the night. Vic Duggan, who at the start of the season was riding as a novice did well to beat Byrd McKinney and Jack Parker in the 4th heat, but was eliminated in the semi. He led the field in the consolation scratch, his time was 44.2 for 2 laps The Australian rider J Chigwell! Could that be Jack Chignell who rode at Wimbledon and Belle Vue in the late 1940s? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iris123 20,936 Posted January 8, 2020 4 hours ago, Midland Red said: In 2015, John, you posted this: French staged World Championships - 1929-37: at the Buffalo Stadium, Paris. ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: 1929 - 1 Charles Bellisent (France) 1930 - 1 Charles Bellisent (France) 1931 meeting 1 - 1.Billy Lamont (Australia) 1931 meeting 2 - 1.Vic Huxley (Australia) 1932 meeting 1 - 1.Jack Parker (England) 1932 meeting 2 - 1.Bluey Wilkinson (Australia), 2.Billy Lamont (Australia) 1933 - Claude Rye (England), 2.Leopold Killmeyer (Austria) 1934 meeting 1 - 1.Fernand Meynier (France), 2.Leopold Killmeyer (Austria) 1934 meeting 2 - 1.Jean Landru (France) 1935 - 1 - Billy Lamont (Australia), 2.Leopold Killmeyer (Austria) 1936 - 1 - Charles ‘Pee Wee’ Cullum (USA) 1937 - 1 - Martin Schneeweiss (Austria) The Paris championships are always a bit of a quandary. Seems little information about them and differences of opinion Speedway Champions give the following winners from 1931-1935 Lamont,Wilkinson,Meynier, Rye and again Rye which differs from the above Something I would love to clarify, but although I have found a few short reports from Paris meetings, never got to the bottom of this puzzle so far Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
andout 649 Posted January 8, 2020 Speedway Champions as far as I'm concerned is correct, we had many discussions between us several years ago and we think we have it right. I have the programme from 1934 and it is the FOURTH world championship held there. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iris123 20,936 Posted January 8, 2020 Yes. As I stated before, it is a well researched site. Sadly a lot of poor information floats around the internet Could you post the line up for that final by any chance ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
andout 649 Posted January 8, 2020 You can look at the programme cover on the Speedway Championships website, all the riders are listed on that cover. Also, how we know we are correct in the finishing three they are listed in this 1934 programme. 1931 Lamont, Tauser, Bellissent 1932 Wilkinson, Bellissent, Killmeyer 1933 Meynier, Wilkinson, Lamont. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iris123 20,936 Posted January 8, 2020 Also a piece I put on another thread about Sprouts Elder coming to Hamburg at the start of the 1930 season and being billed as 'World Champion' Can also confirm that on a number of occasions in the US during 1932,33 and 34 he was named not only international champion, but also world champion Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted January 8, 2020 5 hours ago, iris123 said: The Paris championships are always a bit of a quandary. Seems little information about them and differences of opinion Speedway Champions give the following winners from 1931-1935 Lamont,Wilkinson,Meynier, Rye and again Rye which differs from the above Something I would love to clarify, but although I have found a few short reports from Paris meetings, never got to the bottom of this puzzle so far 2 hours ago, andout said: You can look at the programme cover on the Speedway Championships website, all the riders are listed on that cover. Also, how we know we are correct in the finishing three they are listed in this 1934 programme. 1931 Lamont, Tauser, Bellissent 1932 Wilkinson, Bellissent, Killmeyer 1933 Meynier, Wilkinson, Lamont. 10 hours ago, Midland Red said: In 2015, John, you posted this: French staged World Championships - 1929-37: at the Buffalo Stadium, Paris. ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: 1929 - 1 Charles Bellisent (France) 1930 - 1 Charles Bellisent (France) 1931 meeting 1 - 1.Billy Lamont (Australia) 1931 meeting 2 - 1.Vic Huxley (Australia) 1932 meeting 1 - 1.Jack Parker (England) 1932 meeting 2 - 1.Bluey Wilkinson (Australia), 2.Billy Lamont (Australia) 1933 - Claude Rye (England), 2.Leopold Killmeyer (Austria) 1934 meeting 1 - 1.Fernand Meynier (France), 2.Leopold Killmeyer (Austria) 1934 meeting 2 - 1.Jean Landru (France) 1935 - 1 - Billy Lamont (Australia), 2.Leopold Killmeyer (Austria) 1936 - 1 - Charles ‘Pee Wee’ Cullum (USA) 1937 - 1 - Martin Schneeweiss (Austria) Sadly, to determine who won titles and when it's becoming a case of 'make your own choice'. Offhand I think the old-time rider Gus Kuhn has a website which may mention the Paris-staged world championships. I cannot seem to make a link with it. Sorry! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
