andout 649 Posted January 8, 2020 "Make your own choice" what do you mean by that? It has been researched and proven from programmes and "Paris Match" magazine? What else do you need? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted January 8, 2020 10 minutes ago, andout said: "Make your own choice" what do you mean by that? It has been researched and proven from programmes and "Paris Match" magazine? What else do you need? I advised "Make your own choice" because I am completely confused as to what is a definitive list of winners of the French-staged 'world championships.' Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
andout 649 Posted January 8, 2020 27 minutes ago, gustix said: I advised "Make your own choice" because I am completely confused as to what is a definitive list of winners of the French-staged 'world championships.' You have them......Speedway Champions site is accurate...... 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bavarian 763 Posted January 8, 2020 4 hours ago, andout said: You can look at the programme cover on the Speedway Championships website, all the riders are listed on that cover. Also, how we know we are correct in the finishing three they are listed in this 1934 programme. 1931 Lamont, Tauser, Bellissent 1932 Wilkinson, Bellissent, Killmeyer 1933 Meynier, Wilkinson, Lamont. 1934 Rye, Case, Killmeyer 1935 Rye, Murphy, Bellissent. That's all, there were no more than these five annual world championships from 1931 to 1935 in Paris. In 1936 the FIM took over and staged the first officially sanctioned world championship final at Wembley. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iris123 20,850 Posted January 9, 2020 (edited) 11 hours ago, andout said: "Make your own choice" what do you mean by that? It has been researched and proven from programmes and "Paris Match" magazine? What else do you need? This is the trouble with some who spread this stuff . Historic facts aren’t a matter of ‘ make your own choice’ and it isn’t a matter of ‘lots of sites state such and such ‘ or ‘ why has nobody ever questioned this before ? ‘ One such article stating Cullum was unofficial world champ by gustix http://www.speedwaymuseumonline.co.uk/puttmossman.html Edited January 9, 2020 by iris123 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted January 9, 2020 6 minutes ago, iris123 said: This is the trouble with some who spread this stuff . Historic facts aren’t a matter of ‘ make your own choice’ and it isn’t a matter of ‘lots of sites state such and such ‘ or ‘ why has nobody ever questioned this before ? ‘ One such article stating Cullen was unofficial world champ by gustix http://www.speedwaymuseumonline.co.uk/puttmossman.html ???? Who is Cullen? No mention in the Putt Mossman biog!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iris123 20,850 Posted January 9, 2020 Auto correction on my phone . Just typed it again and it changed it once more to Cullen . No idea why. It doesn’t change anything Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted January 9, 2020 There is reference to the French-staged world championships in this article including the names of the champions: http://www.speedwayplus.com/france.shtml Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steve roberts 9,241 Posted January 9, 2020 1969 World Pairs Final which was initially a non FIM endorsed event, if I recall, but has long since been recognised as the first staging of the World Pairs competition. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iris123 20,850 Posted January 9, 2020 5 hours ago, gustix said: ???? Who is Cullen? No mention in the Putt Mossman biog!! In quite an extraordinary coincidence I have just come across a spectacular photo of Peewee 'Cullen' in mid air after a crash at Yankee Stadium, New York in 1937 !!! I kid you not. Must have had auto correct problems even in those days Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted January 9, 2020 (edited) 7 hours ago, gustix said: There is reference to the French-staged world championships in this article including the names of the champions: http://www.speedwayplus.com/france.shtml These are the 'world champions' for the events staged in France 1929-37: 1929 - 1.Charles Bellisent1930 - 1.Charles Bellisent1931 meeting 1 - 1.Billy Lamont1932 meeting 2 - 1.Vic Huxley1932 meeting 1 - 1.Jack Parker1932 meeting 2 - 1.Bluey Wilkinson, 2.Billy Lamont1933 - 1.Claude Rye, 2.Leopold Killmeyer1934 meeting 1 - 1.Fernand Meynier, 2.Leopold Killmeyer1934 meeting 2 - 1.Jean Landru1935 - 1.Billy Lamont, 2.Leopold Killmeyer1936 - 1.Pee Wee Cullum1937 - 1.Martin Schneeweiss Edited January 9, 2020 by Guest Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iris123 20,850 Posted January 9, 2020 6 minutes ago, gustix said: These are the 'world champions' for the events staged in France 1929-37:1929 - 1.Charles Bellisent1930 - 1.Charles Bellisent1931 meeting 1 - 1.Billy Lamont1932 meeting 2 - 1.Vic Huxley1932 meeting 1 - 1.Jack Parker1932 meeting 2 - 1.Bluey Wilkinson, 2.Billy Lamont1933 - 1.Claude Rye, 2.Leopold Killmeyer1934 meeting 1 - 1.Fernand Meynier, 2.Leopold Killmeyer1934 meeting 2 - 1.Jean Landru1935 - 1.Billy Lamont, 2.Leopold Killmeyer1936 - 1.Pee Wee Cullum1937 - 1.Martin Schneeweiss Oh dear John, you do make a rod for your own back...... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
andout 649 Posted January 9, 2020 2 hours ago, gustix said: These are the 'world champions' for the events staged in France 1929-37: 1929 - 1.Charles Bellisent1930 - 1.Charles Bellisent1931 meeting 1 - 1.Billy Lamont1932 meeting 2 - 1.Vic Huxley1932 meeting 1 - 1.Jack Parker1932 meeting 2 - 1.Bluey Wilkinson, 2.Billy Lamont1933 - 1.Claude Rye, 2.Leopold Killmeyer1934 meeting 1 - 1.Fernand Meynier, 2.Leopold Killmeyer1934 meeting 2 - 1.Jean Landru1935 - 1.Billy Lamont, 2.Leopold Killmeyer1936 - 1.Pee Wee Cullum1937 - 1.Martin Schneeweiss FFS John, please stop this nonsense.....you know this is not true and has been proven so. Please stop the usual nonsense of trying to "Never let the facts get in the way of a story". Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
andout 649 Posted January 9, 2020 (edited) 9 hours ago, steve roberts said: 1969 World Pairs Final which was initially a non FIM endorsed event, if I recall, but has long since been recognised as the first staging of the World Pairs competition. Not sure that is true.....would like to proven wrong though? There was talk once of doing this and also the 1968 Pairs in Kempten but I wasn't aware it had come to fruition. Edited January 9, 2020 by andout change Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bavarian 763 Posted January 9, 2020 1 hour ago, gustix said: These are the 'world champions' for the events staged in France 1929-37: 1929 - 1.Charles Bellisent1930 - 1.Charles Bellisent1931 meeting 1 - 1.Billy Lamont1932 meeting 2 - 1.Vic Huxley1932 meeting 1 - 1.Jack Parker1932 meeting 2 - 1.Bluey Wilkinson, 2.Billy Lamont1933 - 1.Claude Rye, 2.Leopold Killmeyer1934 meeting 1 - 1.Fernand Meynier, 2.Leopold Killmeyer1934 meeting 2 - 1.Jean Landru1935 - 1.Billy Lamont, 2.Leopold Killmeyer1936 - 1.Pee Wee Cullum1937 - 1.Martin Schneeweiss certainly not !!! why do You repreat all this proven nonsense again and again? Tell me who was this Jean Landru ? Never came across this name when researching the Paris speedway meetings of the 1930s ! And You claim he was a world champion in 1934 ! There were no more than FIVE World Championship Finals in Paris ! Champions du Monde de Dirt-Track 1931 - 1935 1931 Billy Lamont 1932 Arthur 'Bluey' Wilkinson 1933 Fernand Meynier 1934 Claude Rye 1935 Claude Rye An interestig note about Charles 'Pee-Wee' Cullum winning it in 1936. He did win the Grand Prix of Paris in 1936, and the trophy on offer for the winner was indeed the one that had been used for all five World Championships from 1931 to 1935. The winners of the World Championships had not been allowed to keep the trophy, and had to give it back to the promoters. But in 1936 it had become obsolete as the FIM now ran the official World Championship, and there was no longer such an event in Paris. Instead of their world championship, the French promoters staged a one-off big international Meeting in July of 1936, the Dirt-Track Grand Prix of Paris, and offered the former world championship trophy to the winner for good. Cullum won it and took the trophy with him back to America, were not so long ago it has been auctioned along with other Cullum memorabilia. The top three of that 1936 Dirt-Track Grand Prix of Paris were: 1st Charles Cullum (America) 2nd Leon Boulard (France) 3rd Dicky Case (Australia) 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites