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First shown on bbc1 in autumn 1977. The series was directed by John Prowse and produced by Anna Home.

A book was wrote by John Foster, but has anyone got any video footage of this tv series ? :cry:

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There was a thread involving this not so long ago.

 

AFAIK, the only footage is

; it's never been released on video, so the only chance you've got is if someone has it that taped it at the time.

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Crikey, this is a blast from the past. I remember watching this as a kid.

The book is actually still available on Amazon, one seller has them on there

from just a penny.

 

Shame it never made it to DvD, as I'm sure it would have sold pretty well.

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Crikey, this is a blast from the past. I remember watching this as a kid.

The book is actually still available on Amazon, one seller has them on there

from just a penny.

 

Shame it never made it to DvD, as I'm sure it would have sold pretty well.

 

 

Assuming Aunty has got it archived (I think they'd stopped their tape reclaimation policy by then) it may just be a case of lobbying them; if enough requests are made, they might consider a DVD release.

 

Be warned though, the memories of childhood rarely stand up to scrutiny; I think you will find the plot is pretty thin and the speedway sequences are few and far between.

 

I'm not sure it was ever repeated (which was a pretty rare thing then, most programmes got trotted out at least twice) and, apart from on here, most people I've talked to think it was a figment of my imagination, so it wasn't well received.

 

On the bright side, it did get Peter Duncan his gig on Blue Peter and he was pretty good value on that.

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Getting near to a final conclusion on whether this serial can be rolled out on DVD.

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Just out of interest does anyone recognise the line up of the four riders at the end of the clip?  I'm thinking the one at the back as they all came round again was John Boulger, seem to remember his leathers having the light band on the right leg, and maybe Steve Gresham with the red, yellow, white striped arm at the start?  If so, Leicester V's ?  Just a thought.

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 BBC UDATE.

Hello Kevin, and many thanks for getting in touch with your enquiry - it's great to hear from you! 

 

My name is David and I am a senior member of the BBC Audience Services department's investigation team with responsibility in this area, and so your contact has been assigned for my personal attention.

 

I was very interested to read your suggestion that King Cinder be released on DVD - it's not a series I had actually heard of myself so I have looked into it! Peter Duncan I of course recognise from his subsequent presenting of Blue Peter, but also Tony Caunter more recently from EastEnders.

 

I would explain that whether or not any current or archive BBC programme gets released commercially would down to a purely commercial decision. BBC Worldwide Limited is the BBC's commercial subsidiary which exists to monetise BBC programmes and brands through merchandising, DVD or digital downloads, and programme/format sales to other broadcasters in the UK and around the world. 

 

BBC Worldwide would also be the ones who would deal with any licensing enquiries from third parties who were interested in acquiring the rights to programmes to release them commercially, eg on DVD. As you will appreciate, it can be an incredibly difficult - and thus time-consuming and expensive - process to investigate and then re-negotiate legal permissions and broadcasting/performing rights, and for many old programmes this can actually be impossible. 

 

I have to say that it feels very unlikely to me that releasing King Cinder on DVD would be commercially viable in light of the costs involved in doing so compared to the expected returns, and at the end of the day BBC Worldwide (or any third party distributor who may be interested) exists to make a profit which is then reinvested back into the BBC to help us make more new programmes and services thus keeping everyone's TV Licence fee lower than it would otherwise have to be. You can certainly ask BBC Worldwide directly if this is something that's on their radar, and you can essentially pitch to them why you believe it would be a good idea for them, and you could also see if any third party distributors may be interested in approaching them about this series?

 

Many thanks once again for taking the time to get in touch - I hope the above will be of some help to you.

 

Kind regards

 

David from the BBC Enquiries team 

www.bbc.co.uk/faqs

 

NB This is sent from an outgoing account only which is not monitored. You cannot reply to this email address but if necessary please contact us via our webform quoting the case number we provided.

 

 

Feedback Summary - Need to release King cinder on dvd

Feedback Description - This 6 part series was screened on bbc1 in 1977  I am here to represent a voice from the speedway community who are very much interested in seeing this released. There will be a fair amount of revenue to you if this is released. This series is often talked about on a forum and I'm trying my utmost to pursue it to be released. I do hope this happens, we are all waiting for a happy outcome on this query.

 



 

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Pretty much as I expected but well done for trying. Rights cripple TV archives, they really do. I go to showings of rare and vintage TV programmes four times a year in Birmingham, hosted by the Kaleidoscope/TV Brain team, many of whom are ex-TV professional technicians who often can't even show programmes they made. Any programmes can only be shown once, on the day, and they can't charge admission, all so the guy who was throwing a dart in the background of the Rovers Return can ensure his 50p is protected....

The old Screen Sport archive was lost but thankfully the ITV coverage nationally and locally on stations like Central seems to have survived. The Anglia TV shows would be very interesting to see, presented by Steve Rider before he found fame with the BBC.

Sadly so many things that people expect to be simple matters aren't, especially once the lawyers get involved.

 

 

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Me and my son went to bradford for the 1990 world final and taped it on screen sport trouble is there is so much tractor racing despite a 3 hr tape used the tapes go up on the run off and tapes runs out ! Good job we saw it live lol

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13 hours ago, RobMcCaffery said:

Pretty much as I expected but well done for trying. Rights cripple TV archives, they really do. I go to showings of rare and vintage TV programmes four times a year in Birmingham, hosted by the Kaleidoscope/TV Brain team, many of whom are ex-TV professional technicians who often can't even show programmes they made. Any programmes can only be shown once, on the day, and they can't charge admission, all so the guy who was throwing a dart in the background of the Rovers Return can ensure his 50p is protected....

The old Screen Sport archive was lost but thankfully the ITV coverage nationally and locally on stations like Central seems to have survived. The Anglia TV shows would be very interesting to see, presented by Steve Rider before he found fame with the BBC.

Sadly so many things that people expect to be simple matters aren't, especially once the lawyers get involved.

 

 

Legalities and rights everything seems political regarding showings and recordings especially when it comes to releasing programmes for DVD. Contacted the BBC WORLDWIDE. Only to be redirected to the BFI. Going round in circles and seem to be running out of options. Oh well as you said Rob, I've tried and will keep trying.Watch this space.

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Sadly the reality is that King Cinder is highly unlikely to be seen as a commercially viable project by any organisation except perhaps a specialist speedway video provider, and how many have the necessary legal resources to sort it all out? Take a look at the fees BFI charges people just to buy ancient documentaries. 

Unfortunately it isn't just a matter of knocking on doors until someone says yes. Trust me, it'll be a very, very long way down the list of priorities for issuing as a DVD. 

 

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Let' start a campaign to get it repeated on BBC4 when they'e not showing anything else.

At least we can record it.

I do know this will never happen

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On 28 February 2018 at 9:03 PM, Triple.H. said:

Let' start a campaign to get it repeated on BBC4 when they'e not showing anything else.

At least we can record it.

I do know this will never happen

 

On 28 February 2018 at 9:03 PM, Triple.H. said:

Let' start a campaign to get it repeated on BBC4 when they'e not showing anything else.

At least we can record it.

I do know this will never happen

Count me in

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Sorry guys, but a forty year old children's series doesn't fit BBC4's remit, and those problems I've already mentioned can't be swept away by a campaign. Go ahead if you wish but it would be nigh on impossible to succeed. 

 

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31 minutes ago, RobMcCaffery said:

Sorry guys, but a forty year old children's series doesn't fit BBC4's remit, and those problems I've already mentioned can't be swept away by a campaign. Go ahead if you wish but it would be nigh on impossible to succeed. 

 

No harm in trying.  Shy bairns get nowt.

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