NL Treated with Contempt

[westhamboy66 599]

At the end of the day (well, the end of this, the sorriest day in the history of the third tier...) we need an answer. I was persuaded early on this morning, in that unique way some Speedway people 'in the know' have of subtle threats of "you'll get in trouble"..., that it wasn't the staging club Rye House at fault for this but the BSPA. RH's own club press statement more or less says as much too...

 

Yet, as many have said, the meeting that the BSPA allegedly insisted must go ahead this weekend (the YS semi home leg) is to happen on SUNDAY.

RH had committed themselves to staging the NLRC (which they've done successfully for a number of years now...) and the 4s Final; and once this was lost once to bad weather they'd set aside this SATURDAY afternoon (not a slot used before by the club...) for this 'double-header'

 

No-one as far as I can see, can think of any sensible or justifible reason why just because they must entertain Newport on the Sunday, that this original plan of the Saturday afternoon meeting can't go ahead.

 

Until the club themselves actually tell us WHY they've felt the need to cancel the NL events on Saturday, I really can't see how there can be any closure to this matter...

Couple of things

Rye House have used saturday Afternoon before ...Saturday June 12th against Newcastle so you are wrong there.

As far as running on Saturday before the Newport meeting on the sunday. 28 heats would have been ridden leaving the track with a hell of a lot of work needing to be done. A limited amount could have been done saturday evening but with sundays start time an enforced one at 1PM there would have been no time to carry out track prep on sunday morning. Rye House is now just across the river to a residential area from whom I am sure there would have been complaints had there been a couple of tractors circling the track at 7 AM on a sunday morning.

It's far to easy to target Rye House for the shortcomings of how a league and it's events are run.

Edited October 14, 2010 by westhamboy66

[Bannakaffalatta 0]

"what a shambles" "what a disgrace" What a flippin load of old tosh! Rye house Rockets, and to a lesser extent, Cobras, are len silvers BUSINESS at Rye House, the fact is, the nl matches were booked in it would appear, when there was a blank in uncle lennies fixture list.Due to some diabolical summer weather and an extended run in the young shield, where the rockets running is a must for the competition to be completed, that gap in the fixture list has been removed, possibly just put back.Can anyone honestly expect the track at hoddesdon to stand up to 2 days of racing, without running the risk of people moaning that the nl competitions had to make do with a second rate track cos its only the nl.

Another point, how succesful, especially in current financial climes would it be to expect people to put their hands in pockets 2 days in a row to watch speedway, cos lets face it i guess a decent proportion of the crowd would be rye fans anyway.

"what a bunch of moaners"

Intersting perspective so lets just stick with your 'its a business' approach

 

in business, you have a responsibility to operate within your limitations.

 

if lets say a business takes a booking to hold a conference in their meeting rooms but then have an outbreak of flu stopping them holding there own meeting the week before. then they decide that they will hold it the day after the booking was taken for but dont want the cleaners to have to come in 2 days running so cancel, at short notice the booking they took. Is that good business? hell no its a quick way to end up having to pay out wads of compensation and lose all credibility u have in the industry.

 

As a 'business', Rye House/BSPA should have known better. Thats not business, its taking the preverbial

[John Leslie 3,213]

What puzzles me is that Rye House was chosen to hold the NL Fours/NLRC in the first place.

As Rye run both PL and NL they already have a crowded programme, and it was odds-on that at the business end of the season they would have the PL play-offs or Young shield to fit in.

 

So why try to cram in these extra events?

 

Looking at the days that NL teams race, I reckon we have:-

 

Saturday - Rye House

Sunday - Buxton, Newport, King's Lynn

Monday - no one

Tuesday - IOW, Dudley@Wolves

Wednesday - Bournemouth, Dudley@Brum

Thursday - no one

Friday - Plymouth, Scunthorpe, Weymouth

 

So more than often there is no NL activity on a Monday or Thursday.

 

Now, as I've already said most PL teams are involved in play-offs or Young Shield, but if we look to the EL we have a number of teams not in the play-offs and out of the KO Cup who are left kicking their heels with no fixtures at all.

Swindon seem to have held some league matches back beyond the deadline, so they have something to pad the season out, but the teams most devoid of fixtures are Belle Vue and Ipswich.

these teams race on a Monday and a Thursday...the days of no NL activity...so they could have easily staged the NLRC and NL pairs. (and probably still could).

 

Maybe EL stadium rentals are higher, and they are not clubs who have an NL team, and so the crowd may be down. But surely out of all the Sky money, the BSPA could pay a couple of grand to rent one of these tracks and subsidise the paying admission down to a fiver?

 

They would then get the meetings on, have no fixture congestion, and may convert some EL fans into NL supporters?

 

Or is this too sensible?

[NeilWatson 1,988]

What puzzles me is that Rye House was chosen to hold the NL Fours/NLRC in the first place.

As Rye run both PL and NL they already have a crowded programme, and it was odds-on that at the business end of the season they would have the PL play-offs or Young shield to fit in.

 

So why try to cram in these extra events?

 

Looking at the days that NL teams race, I reckon we have:-

 

Saturday - Rye House

Sunday - Buxton, Newport, King's Lynn

Monday - no one

Tuesday - IOW, Dudley@Wolves

Wednesday - Bournemouth, Dudley@Brum

Thursday - no one

Friday - Plymouth, Scunthorpe, Weymouth

 

So more than often there is no NL activity on a Monday or Thursday.

 

Now, as I've already said most PL teams are involved in play-offs or Young Shield, but if we look to the EL we have a number of teams not in the play-offs and out of the KO Cup who are left kicking their heels with no fixtures at all.

Swindon seem to have held some league matches back beyond the deadline, so they have something to pad the season out, but the teams most devoid of fixtures are Belle Vue and Ipswich.

these teams race on a Monday and a Thursday...the days of no NL activity...so they could have easily staged the NLRC and NL pairs. (and probably still could).

 

Maybe EL stadium rentals are higher, and they are not clubs who have an NL team, and so the crowd may be down. But surely out of all the Sky money, the BSPA could pay a couple of grand to rent one of these tracks and subsidise the paying admission down to a fiver?

 

They would then get the meetings on, have no fixture congestion, and may convert some EL fans into NL supporters?

 

Or is this too sensible?

 

Of course it is!

[cityrebel 2,960]

hold both events at sittingbourne a real grass roots speedway venue.

[Halifaxtiger 5,318]

 

It's far to easy to target Rye House for the shortcomings of how a league and it's events are run.

 

Complete rubbish.

 

Rye House made the commitment to run the NLRC in the full knowledge that there could be a fixture pile up and, at least according to their website, they haven't had a rain off since that made that commitment.

 

If there was a danger that they could not fit the meeting in (and, even without the benefit of hindsight, there clearly was) why agree to hold it ?

 

I fail to appreciate how the blame for the cancellation of this meeting can be laid at the door of the NL. It maybe that the BSPA directed it, but I have no doubt that that is when the problem was raised by Rye House so its their fault and theirs alone.

[BossMan 8]

Ok now I am totally pissed off.

 

I went to a load of trouble to re-organise things so I could attend this Saturday and it is just not acceptable.

 

I agree with most of what has been said on here and I am seriously thinking about knocking this sport on the head. It is the most amateurish professional sport in the world.

 

Just as a thought why couldn't the YS semi against Newport be staged on the Saturday if the other meeting has been postponed?

Edited October 14, 2010 by BossMan

[Halifaxtiger 5,318]

What puzzles me is that Rye House was chosen to hold the NL Fours/NLRC in the first place.

As Rye run both PL and NL they already have a crowded programme, and it was odds-on that at the business end of the season they would have the PL play-offs or Young shield to fit in.

 

So why try to cram in these extra events?

 

Looking at the days that NL teams race, I reckon we have:-

 

Saturday - Rye House

Sunday - Buxton, Newport, King's Lynn

Monday - no one

Tuesday - IOW, Dudley@Wolves

Wednesday - Bournemouth, Dudley@Brum

Thursday - no one

Friday - Plymouth, Scunthorpe, Weymouth

 

So more than often there is no NL activity on a Monday or Thursday.

 

Now, as I've already said most PL teams are involved in play-offs or Young Shield, but if we look to the EL we have a number of teams not in the play-offs and out of the KO Cup who are left kicking their heels with no fixtures at all.

Swindon seem to have held some league matches back beyond the deadline, so they have something to pad the season out, but the teams most devoid of fixtures are Belle Vue and Ipswich.

these teams race on a Monday and a Thursday...the days of no NL activity...so they could have easily staged the NLRC and NL pairs. (and probably still could).

 

Maybe EL stadium rentals are higher, and they are not clubs who have an NL team, and so the crowd may be down. But surely out of all the Sky money, the BSPA could pay a couple of grand to rent one of these tracks and subsidise the paying admission down to a fiver?

 

They would then get the meetings on, have no fixture congestion, and may convert some EL fans into NL supporters?

 

Or is this too sensible?

 

Its sensible, John, but its impractical.

 

For a start, there's no way the BSPA would subsidise a meeting.

 

Secondly, the gate wouldn't be down at Belle Vue (or maybe even Ipswich), it would be practically non existent. You only have to read some of the posts on here to see the contempt that some EL fans have for the PL, never mind the NL, so they just wouldn't go. Allied to the fact that only Buxton is within 100 miles of Belle Vue supporters just aren't going to travel that far.

 

It would have to be a weekend and to my mind the best neutral place would be Swindon. Otherwise, I'd use Dudley. Superb track (people I know will not go to Rye House for that reason alone) superb stadium, big crowd, reachable by everyone.

[tocha 308]

So has it been confirmed that it was 'postponed' because the track couldn't cope with meetings on 2 consecutive days?

 

Strange that it would have been able to cope with consecutive meetings on 2nd and 3rd October then!

[John Leslie 3,213]

Its sensible, John, but its impractical.

 

For a start, there's no way the BSPA would subsidise a meeting.

I'm talking maybe £2k or £3k out of the Sky £5M. that's not impractical...it's petty cash.

 

Secondly, the gate wouldn't be down at Belle Vue (or maybe even Ipswich), it would be practically non existent.

Just realised Belle Vue held a successful NL meeting against the Americans on Monday, and Ipswich are doing the same tonight. So your argument doesn't hold water there either.

[tocha 308]

I suspect that the majority of people are on the internet these days so most of the fans look at the forums.

I have just received this week's Speedway Star. In the fixtures column it still has this meeting listed for Saturday and the YS match on 24th October.

With all this messing about with fixture dates at the eleventh hour I wonder how many who just use the Star and/or their programmes as the principle guide are going to turn up on Saturday. BBC text does, at least, have the NL event cancelled but is then showing the YS match taking place both the 16th and 17th!

Edited October 14, 2010 by tocha

[*JJ 511]

Otherwise, I'd use Dudley. Superb track (people I know will not go to Rye House for that reason alone) superb stadium, big crowd, reachable by everyone.

There is no such place! Did you mean Perry Barr or Wolverhampton?

[Jayne 312]

I suspect that the majority of people are on the internet these days so most of the fans look at the forums.

I have just received this week's Speedway Star. In the fixtures column it still has this meeting listed for Saturday and the YS match on 24th October.

With all this messing about with fixture dates at the eleventh hour I wonder how many who just use the Star and/or their programmes as the principle guide are going to turn up on Saturday. BBC text does, at least, have the NL event cancelled but is then showing the YS match taking place both the 16th and 17th!

 

 

The meeting was postponed after the speedway star went to press.

[tocha 308]

The meeting was postponed after the speedway star went to press.

 

I am not doubting that. I am just using it as an example of what could happen by changing the fixtures so late on.

[Ben91 1,743]

Right, so the BSPA say this has to be cancelled due to the Young Shield, so why all the moaning at Rye? Len took on the fours and has obviously tried to make sure this goes ahead, yet the sports ruling body are the ones depriving the fans and riders of the event it seems.

 

This has been an absolute shambles no doubt but the blame should not be placed at Ryes door here.