norbold 7,098 Posted December 11, 2003 Don't know I'd go as far as most talented rider in the world ever, but certainly in the Collins family. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
spin king 1,918 Posted December 11, 2003 Yes Peter was probably better, rider, but for a racer Phil for me was a better racer, and was more exciting and more unpredictable, than Peter. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Grachan 7,314 Posted December 11, 2003 The only thing that made Peter more predicatable than Phil was that if he was behind you knew he was going to get past whereas with Phil he might not. Good rider, though - Phil Collins. I remember him winning the Overseas Final at Belle Vue one year. I'd have to agree that Peter had the edge in pretty much every department though. (Unless Phil could gate - I can't remember, though being a Collins I'd say it was unlikely) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fatface 2,549 Posted December 11, 2003 (edited) Don't know I'd go as far as most talented rider in the world ever, but certainly in the Collins family. Wouldn't exactly stick my life on him being the best ever Norbold. But the Peter Collins of the mid-70s was definitely up there - he was magic. For what is worth I think that a general rule of "the older the better" works with the Collins boys. Take a look at their main achievements: Peter - World Champ, 4xWorld Pairs Les - World no2, Intercontinental Champ Phil - Overseas Champ, World Finallist Neil - World Team Finallist Steve - British Junior Grasstrack Champ Edited December 11, 2003 by falcace Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Liontamer 202 Posted December 11, 2003 (edited) For what is worth I think that a general rule of "the older the better" works with the Collins boys. Take a look at their main achievements: Peter - World Champ, 4xWorld Pairs Les - World no2, Intercontinental Champ Phil - Overseas Champ, World Finallist Neil - World Team Finallist Steve - British Junior Grasstrack Champ Boris - Lives in the attic, seldom mentioned Well I never knew that. Edited December 11, 2003 by Liontamer Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
greyhoundp 990 Posted December 11, 2003 Well unless my memory fails me <thats all we have at cradley>,Peter never seemed to ride the Cradley track very well <i am sure someone will prove me wrong>for what reason i dont know,as it was far from a gaters track.Phil was the same as the other brothers could not gate to save his life. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sandman 0 Posted December 11, 2003 (edited) i think Phil sang better than Peter.. " i can feel it, coming in the air at night,.. oh lord.." "Physical touch", great,.. also he proved he can act better, saw him in the movie Buster..i do think he got a bit big headed when Genisis hit it big. To do all that, and fit a bike with such style as he did, he got i vote mon.. Edited December 11, 2003 by sandman Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
norbold 7,098 Posted December 11, 2003 Don't know I'd go as far as most talented rider in the world ever, but certainly in the Collins family. Wouldn't exactly stick my life on him being the best ever Norbold. But the Peter Collins of the mid-70s was definitely up there - he was magic. Yep, I'll go along with that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
spin king 1,918 Posted December 12, 2003 If anybody else wants to contribute to this with any other former rider keep them coming. I think now we have exhausted the who was the best Collins brother question. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
norbold 7,098 Posted December 12, 2003 (edited) I think now we have exhausted the who was the best Collins question. Not quite. We haven't discussed the merits of Eric Collins yet - rode for Wimbledon before the War. Was he as good as Neil? Or maybe Les? Edited December 12, 2003 by norbold Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
frigbo 518 Posted December 12, 2003 Or Stoke's Mark Collins?? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sandman 0 Posted December 12, 2003 Brian Collins,... man these Collin's people sure are prolific. they are everywhere, here in the Bahamas, i live next door to Ganja Collins, and his brother is Sweet Simon Collins. dont think they ever rode speedway tho.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Malcolm 0 Posted December 26, 2003 (edited) Phil Collins on my bike in California. Phil Collins on my RTS Jawa outside his house in California chatting with the neighbours. Close-up Phil, Neil and half a head is me at a Junior Grasstrack in 1975 Edited December 26, 2003 by Malcolm Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
spin king 1,918 Posted December 26, 2003 Thanks for that, nice to see Phil looking fit and healthy, just has a little less hair than I remember. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest swillworld Posted December 30, 2003 What about John Cook, the cowboy, from the states? he was really coming into his own at the end of the 80's then went overseas..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
