Sky 2014

[Guest]

Grow up RMC and get over you personal problems with me rather than attack a relevant post i made. If people have concerns about the control Sky have on sport that does include Speedway and hence makes it worthy to be discussed here. Equally the point raised concerning the subscription costs is extremely relevant to those who pay full subs and ditch the service as they don't realise that massive reductions are available if only you ask. As far as looking elsewhere, here's something novel...get out and watch a meeting live, some of the dross from the Elite and the inability of their clubs to a provide decent product is the main reason few are watching which is the real reason speedway will be dropped. As for paying to watch a feed on a computer this brings back memories of how sad it was watching the amateur production on screensort

 

I can see nothing wrong with the comment made by westhamboys66 in regard to Sky TV and speedway. There is nothing personal in it - the message just deals with waching speedway on SKY. It was made in a general context and that the real thing was preferable to watching the sport on TV.

Is there really a personal dig here - but then again I do not know how well you personally know westhamboys66.

I accepted the Post to be advocating a change to watching the sport live rather than on TV. That's why I gave his comment a "like" as did another forum member.

 

 

I see that I am not allowed to comment on anything you say on the basis that it must be due to a personal dislike.

 

Well, you are correct, I do have a very strong personal dislike due to the offensive way you have spoken to me on here. However, unlike yourself I based my comments on what you wrote, not as a cheap opportunity to score puerile points. You really are a very nasty piece of work. I really could not give a damn about your opinion of my work on Screen Sport since your comments are clearly based on personal venom, not reason.

 

I make no great claims for what I did in speedway many years ago, but at least I got off my backside and did them unlike poisonous snipers like you. Yes it was amateurish, but on a budget of £1000 per hour what do you expect? At least we tried to help the sport, at considerable personal cost.

 

It's 'supporters' like you who make it such a pleasure not to have any professional involvement in the sport now.

 

'Grow up'? I suggest you look in the mirror.

 

One thing you can be sure of in speedway, no matter what you try to achieve there will always be someone like you to make you regret it.

 

I remember you turning on me initially because I dared to criticise football. What a shocking crime!

 

I also note John Hyam, hiding behind his rock as 'gustix' endorsed your posting. There is no greater discredit to your posting than to have that man's endorsement.

 

I've tried to help this debate by offering points from my knowledge of television generally. As ever, you can rely on ignorant posters such as yourself to make you regret it.

 

As for getting out to see meetings, I would love to but ill health has prevented me for most of this season. A very cheap shot from a very cheap person.

 

Anyway, you like Sky. Great, now what has that got to do with the future of speedway on TV? Nothing, which is why I responded, but you obviously don't have the intelligence to understand that.

 

It seems that at sometime I must have ruffled the feathers of rmc although I have not the faintest idea who he is or what the matter is in relation to.

You admit to a personal dislike of westhamboys66 and it would seem that I also fall into that category? You criticise me for the user name 'gustix' yet I would estimate more than 90 per cent of BSF members Post through this method. Why should I be any different? - do I have to give my name (maybe address and phone number as well?) every time I make a post on here?

I also wonder why I was singled out for making the "like" while the other forum member was not even mentioned?

Edited November 2, 2013 by Guest

[Tommy Sweetman 480]

Tommy there is a set top box software upgrade currently in development which will eventually allow users to press the text button which will then open Sky News,Sports or Movies apps very much like IPad ones with video all the content will be delivered via the broadband connection. Having seen the testing it's a lot better than Skytext which was expensive to provide. The new service will mean the same team that do Apple and Android content will provide tv app

Thanks for that update mate,very interesting.

[skthecat 90]

 

I can see nothing wrong with the comment made by westhamboys66 in regard to Sky TV and speedway. There is nothing personal in it - the message just deals with waching speedway on SKY. It was made in a general context and that the real thing was preferable to watching the sport on TV.

Is there really a personal dig here - but then again I do not know how well you personally know westhamboys66.

I accepted the Post to be advocating a change to watching the sport live rather than on TV. That's why I gave his comment a "like" as did another forum member.

 

 

It seems that at sometime I must have ruffled the feathers of rmc although I have not the faintest idea who he is or what the matter is in relation to.

You admit to a personal dislike of westhamboys66 and it would seem that I also fall into that category? You criticise me for the user name 'gustix' yet I would estimate more than 90 per cent of BSF members Post through this method. Why should I be any different? - do I have to give my name (maybe address and phone number as well?) every time I make a post on here?

I also wonder why I was singled out for making the "like" while the other forum member was not even mentioned?

 

 

Hows about everybody using their REAL NAME instead???? You could still include a nickname as well if so wanted, after all, when you chat in the pub or on the terraces, you don't wear a mask do you.......? (I include myself in this as I use a sort of nickname.... Never Too Old !!!!

[pandorum 1,259]

Hows about everybody using their REAL NAME instead???? You could still include a nickname as well if so wanted, after all, when you chat in the pub or on the terraces, you don't wear a mask do you.......? (I include myself in this as I use a sort of nickname.... Never Too Old !!!!

I don't want to use my real name as who I am, where I am from and what I do while I am there is none of your (the forum) business unless I choose to make it so which I don't

I have no interest in socialising with anyone here but have fun expressing my opinion on a sport I like and having a bit of a laugh with the guys in the International section who are a good bunch.

If you want to reveal your secret identity that is your business but as it was a free country last time I looked I choose to excercise that freedom and not do so.

Edited November 2, 2013 by pandorum

[Guest]

Hows about everybody using their REAL NAME instead???? You could still include a nickname as well if so wanted, after all, when you chat in the pub or on the terraces, you don't wear a mask do you.......? (I include myself in this as I use a sort of nickname.... Never Too Old !!!!

 

::: I am a member of an American Yahoo forum where it is a condition of membership that correct name and location are given. However, I know of no other forums that insist on this and it's not a condition of BSF membership that the practice is adopted on it.

Just writing under user names is the accepted procedure on the BSF at the moment, and to just use it is the accepted method for messages at the moment. There are a few people on here who do use their correct name - that is their choice. For the time being I will continue to be 'gustix' - some people like me to do that so they can "out" me to show how clever they are!

 

I don't want to use my real name as who I am, where I am from and what I do while I am there is none of your (the forum) business unless I choose to make it so which I don't

I have no interest in socialising with anyone here but have fun expressing my opinion on a sport I like and having a bit of a laugh with the guys in the International section who are a good bunch.

If you want to reveal your secret identity that is your business but as it was a free country last time I looked I choose to excercise that freedom and not do so.

 

::: I agree with you. It's great fun being in the world of user names and some of them are really amusing - especially when the Avatar fits. For me one of the best is Arsonfire with the really funny Avatar that accompanies messages. If there was a competition for the best and most amusing Avatar on the BSF, this one would get my vote.

Edited November 2, 2013 by Guest

[Guest]

I also note John Hyam, hiding behind his rock as 'gustix' endorsed your posting. There is no greater discredit to your posting than to have that man's endorsement.

 

 

 

 

 

This quote refers to a comment by rmc in regard to an original Post re SKY TV by westhamboy 66 in this thread::

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rmc - Surely there is no greater endorsement of Westhamboy than your knowledgeable disapproval?

Edited November 4, 2013 by Guest

[weatherwatcher 664]

Just seen an update on speedway on Sky sports for 2014. They are still very quite about things saying that the contract is still up for grabs, not very good English. But they are stating that they are hopeful of getting the contract which is good news or that it may go to one of their rival broadcaters, so even more hopeful news. We shall no doubt soon find out, who gets it or will no one bother with it, it would be a great loss for British Speedway if we lose it on our TV's it had been in the wilderness for so many years till Sky came along and started to show it. I can remember the days when you used to get one of two races a year on the BBC'S Grandstand Programme and it was a few to say the least.

I hope for our sport that we do not lose what we have now, with weekly Speedway.

Eurosport have the Gp's and a few other races and good for them but would they consider doing weekly British Speedway or is any body else willing to take over the broadcasts.

[moxey63 1,785]

Losing Sky may be a blessing. Naturally I'd sooner keep it. As a stay-at-home fan, I may have to make efforts to attend my local circuitsfor my ration. How many others will have to do what i will? Then again, you have to then gauge the loss of Sky revenue and the possible influx of fans back to the terraces.

[The White Knight 9,039]

I still think that Speedway on SKY Television is very much a double edged sword. On the one hand - it is very nice to have Speedway on Television - BUT - on the other hand, are the things that Speedway has had to do to fit in with the Television requirements. To my mind SKY Television has had far too much input in to the way the Sport is run in this Country. NOT for the better either.

 

My views on the Play Offs, Double Points etc. are well known on here and I have no need to repeat them. The Sport, myself and I know others, believe has certainly lost something since the advent of SKY. More importantly it has lost Spectators too. In the Sport/Entertainment business - that is NOT good News.

 

As Moxey63 states above - he may have to go to a few Meetings if SKY do not renew their Speedway Contract. Hopefully there will be quite a lot like him, because personally I don't believe the Sport of Speedway should be 'in hock' to ANY Television Company, or any other Business for that matter. On balance I think that Speedway can do without Television for the League Meetings. The GPs are still available for those who won't go to their local Track.

 

I would just urge people who, for whatever reason, have stopped attending Meetings to go and support their Local Track - it may NOT be there much longer if you don't.

[westhamboy66 599]

I still think that Speedway on SKY Television is very much a double edged sword. On the one hand - it is very nice to have Speedway on Television - BUT - on the other hand, are the things that Speedway has had to do to fit in with the Television requirements. To my mind SKY Television has had far too much input in to the way the Sport is run in this Country. NOT for the better either.

 

My views on the Play Offs, Double Points etc. are well known on here and I have no need to repeat them. The Sport, myself and I know others, believe has certainly lost something since the advent of SKY. More importantly it has lost Spectators too. In the Sport/Entertainment business - that is NOT good News.

 

As Moxey63 states above - he may have to go to a few Meetings if SKY do not renew their Speedway Contract. Hopefully there will be quite a lot like him, because personally I don't believe the Sport of Speedway should be 'in hock' to ANY Television Company, or any other Business for that matter. On balance I think that Speedway can do without Television for the League Meetings. The GPs are still available for those who won't go to their local Track.

 

I would just urge people who, for whatever reason, have stopped attending Meetings to go and support their Local Track - it may NOT be there much longer if you don't.

A very good post. Almost every sport from Rugby League to Football, Cricket etc have suffered a degree of re organization that the paying public are not happy with. That said it is the armchair fans who are better thought of by Sky as that is where they earn their income. As a Speedway fan who is a traditionalist i haven't liked the direction the top flight league has taken and find that meetings shown on sky are generally poor and this is a contributing factor to a downturn in the crowds. OK so without sky the income will fall and so will the level of competition in the Elite League. That said this may well be a Godsend as it seems to me that its a classic situation that sees Speedway needing to take a couple of steps backwards to stabilise then move forward. This should see the end of the high priced average foreign riders and an upsurge of British talent coming through from the PL. As things improve then the top riders may well be enticed back. If it doesn't happen that way then i think we all fear there will only be a couple of tracks able to sustain their current situation.

[moxey63 1,785]

I was surprised after attending Buxton for my first in-the-flesh meeting a month ago just how much I missed the sport, its live version. The smell, sound of the bikes... it was totally different than watching the last 5 years live TV matches. Nothing had changed with the sport, but that I actually rekindled my fondness of the sport due to attending one meeting really opened my eyes. Speedway is special. If promoters can't see the future and where they want to take it, other than a one season at a time approach (followed from week-to-week when we're into that season), then hand it over to someone who can.

[westhamboy66 599]

I see that I am not allowed to comment on anything you say on the basis that it must be due to a personal dislike.

 

Well, you are correct, I do have a very strong personal dislike due to the offensive way you have spoken to me on here. However, unlike yourself I based my comments on what you wrote, not as a cheap opportunity to score puerile points. You really are a very nasty piece of work. I really could not give a damn about your opinion of my work on Screen Sport since your comments are clearly based on personal venom, not reason.

 

I make no great claims for what I did in speedway many years ago, but at least I got off my backside and did them unlike poisonous snipers like you. Yes it was amateurish, but on a budget of £1000 per hour what do you expect? At least we tried to help the sport, at considerable personal cost.

 

It's 'supporters' like you who make it such a pleasure not to have any professional involvement in the sport now.

 

'Grow up'? I suggest you look in the mirror.

 

One thing you can be sure of in speedway, no matter what you try to achieve there will always be someone like you to make you regret it.

 

I remember you turning on me initially because I dared to criticise football. What a shocking crime!

 

I also note John Hyam, hiding behind his rock as 'gustix' endorsed your posting. There is no greater discredit to your posting than to have that man's endorsement.

 

I've tried to help this debate by offering points from my knowledge of television generally. As ever, you can rely on ignorant posters such as yourself to make you regret it.

 

As for getting out to see meetings, I would love to but ill health has prevented me for most of this season. A very cheap shot from a very cheap person.

 

Anyway, you like Sky. Great, now what has that got to do with the future of speedway on TV? Nothing, which is why I responded, but you obviously don't have the intelligence to understand that.

RMC you have said much about me and that is your choice. In almost a thousand posts i have had two disagreements with other members one a Sheffield supporter and another a well known member of the forum who has for many years announced at various tracks. On both occassions we exchanged frank views via a private message, apologies were made by each of us, we agreed to disagree and we live happily within the forum. When we had a spat you were very rude in a private message and then chose to block me before i had a chance to respond privately. You have said above that i am without intelligence, called me ignorant and a cheap person. I don't wish to make a response as that would be boring for everyone. However i have not seen or heard anything about you since 1986 and as such would have no knowledge of your health or inability to watch speedway and my comment about getting out to speedway was a general comment not aimed at you. I wish no one ill health nor would i make a cheap shot as you put it. My comments as far as watching speedway on line or screensport hold good when compared with the sky production. I did at no time mention your involvement. I hope that clarifies the situation something i would normally not do but such was the attack on John Hyam, gustix and myself that a response needed to be made.

[Humphrey Appleby 13,951]

To my mind SKY Television has had far too much input in to the way the Sport is run in this Country. NOT for the better either.

Do we actually have any evidence that Sky influenced any of these things? The tactical ride was undoubtedly more down to being a cost-saving mechanism, whilst 'playoffs' have been introduced in many sports.

 

I personally don't consider these changes to be that heinous if they revitalise the sport, and few would disagree that the 'playoffs' maintain interest to the end of the season and tend to draw good crowds. The double points nonsense admittedly doesn't do much for the credibility of the sport, but there are far worse problems that need to be addressed.

[Skidder1 7,634]

The results of the tender process for future coverage of the Champions League (Football!) matches will be known by next Thursday - 7th November!! The winners (and losers) will undoubtedly have an impact on whether Speedway features on Sky - at a reduced financial level - in the future!!!!!?

So Sky have lost out to BT Sport for the 2015/16 Champions League TV rights, thereby saving £millions. Maybe Speedway on TV might be 'saved' after all!!? (ps. If 'saved' is the correct word to use, rather than deferring the inevitable?!)

[T.N.T. 355]

Looking at both sides of having SKY involved in the sport, I am moving very much in favour of having no Sky involved in league racing and let them concentrate on just the World Cup. Maybe even look at transmitting Polish or Swedish Speedway but that would copst them even more money which is unlikely.

 

 

While I love to see the big names do battle, I would be quite content watching these mainly in the GP's, SEC or WTC with British Speedway filling team places with a more balanced line ups with present 6+ riders as heat leaders and riders like Howarth or Newman at reserve.

 

Plus looking at possible Wolves line ups for next season like Woffinden, Proctor, Wells, Thorssell, L Lindgren, Masters and Aspgren then I'm quite looking forward to next season more than ever.

 

 

 

Also take note that without SKY the double tactical points would almost certainly be taken out and a return of tactical substitutes bought back instead. ..... The play offs however are here to stay regardless.

Edited November 9, 2013 by T.N.T.