When Will The New Race Format Be Out & How Can Teams Name Riders When They Don't Know It?

[Joseq7 360]

Is this "new format" just for the EL?

Not the PL too?

 

I must admit I totally missed this in the SCB statement after the AGM.

I knew about the "draft" reserves from the NL.

 

If it brings on young British riders then it's got to be a good thing..............eventually.

I don't follow an EL team anyway.

[naffer 442]

I have seen the statement saying there will be two reserve races, but where does this reserves only riding against second strings come from?

Agree with the comments that a second reserve race should be earlier that heat 14.

That was tried before with the 8 man teams era and it was not successful.

I think it needs to be before heat 8 .

[Humphrey Appleby 13,941]

Your now struggling to create pairings that really should be a staple of team speedway. 2 and 4 only have 2 rides left. You could pair them with 1 and 3 for those rides. But then 5 rides with another heat leader in all four of his heats.

Yes, the format is not going to work with 7-rider teams unless a reserve is paired with at least one heat leader on occasions. It's not just about the pairings, but ensuring riders aren't programmed to have two on the trot, or indeed on too many occasions with just a heat in-between their programmed rides.

 

A second reserves' race isn't the best idea either, as there will be no cover in the event of injury.

Edited November 27, 2013 by Humphrey Appleby

[Had Enough 233]

the old 13 heat programme always produced some of the best racing in heats 2 and 8 featuring the reserves so they may base it on that

 

The current format is a slightly massaged version of the old 13 heat anyway.

 

If the BSPA is adopting the Polish style of team building, then the Polish race format ought to work.

 

If they try to invent something themselves, then heaven help us, becasue the BSPA always proves the theory that a camel is actually a horse, designed by committee.

[Skidder1 7,632]

As it is also rumoured that r/r will take immediate effect in the event of injury, then presumably each team will have to have a named Number 8, who could also cover for a reserve injury!!

Edited November 27, 2013 by Skidder1

[skthecat 90]

What would be wrong with riders riding with there team numbers in order of there current abilities/scoring power/current average?

 

1 = strongest, 5 least strongest.??

At least it would be easier for newbies to grasp...

and would it make much difference to race formats, they'd just have to modify the race line ups ro to balance the races? Wouldn't they?

As for reserve only races, keep one at ht 2 and the other around ht 6/7

Edited November 27, 2013 by Never to old

[foamfence 2,917]

What would be wrong with riders riding with there team numbers in order of there current abilities/scoring power/current average?

 

1 = strongest, 5 least strongest.??

At least it would be easier for newbies to grasp...

and would it make much difference to race formats, they'd just have to modify the race line ups ro to balance the races? Wouldn't they?

As for reserve only races, keep one at ht 2 and the other around ht 6/7

It takes away the managers right to make his own pairings.

[Phil 303]

Duplicate topics merged.

[MattK 3,447]

What would be wrong with riders riding with there team numbers in order of there current abilities/scoring power/current average?1 = strongest, 5 least strongest.?

I wouldn't be surprised if this is how they implement it.

 

Otherwise I can't see how the reserves will be "protected" from the opposition's heat leaders.

Edited November 27, 2013 by MattK

[T.N.T. 355]

this was the format in the BL in 1990:

 

1/2 v 1/2

6/7 v 6/7

5/4 v 5/4

3/6 v 3/7

5/4 v 1/2

1/2 v 3/6

3/6 v 5/4

2/7 v 2/7

5/4 v 3/6

1/2 v 5/4

3/7 v 1/2

1/4 v 3/5

3/5 v 1/4

6/7 v 6/7

nominated

 

in other words the old 13 heat formula + an extra reserve heat + hig scorers.

can't see much wrong with this tbh.

 

 

There has to be a rule put in place that ensures 7 and 8+ riders are not in the heats alongside reserves

 

 

Whichever way they go, there is going to be teams looking for loop holes from day one like signing a 4+ rider, getting him to average 6+ in easier heats against NL reserves and then replace him with a real 6+ rider who becomes a 7+ rider !

Edited November 28, 2013 by T.N.T.

[skthecat 90]

 

 

There has to be a rule put in place that ensures 7 and 8+ riders are not in the heats alongside reserves

 

 

Whichever way they go, there is going to be teams looking for loop holes from day one like signing a 4+ rider, getting him to average 6+ in easier heats against NL reserves and then replace him with a real 6+ rider who becomes a 7+ rider !

▲▲▲▲▲▲▲▲▲▲▲▲▲▲▲▲▲▲▲▲▲▲▲▲▲▲▲▲ please explain this 4+ to 6+, get rid for a proper 6+ who'll then burst open into a 7+ rider???

Whats that all about, Alfie?

[seanmuffe 105]

 

The current format is a slightly massaged version of the old 13 heat anyway.

 

If the BSPA is adopting the Polish style of team building, then the Polish race format ought to work.

 

If they try to invent something themselves, then heaven help us, becasue the BSPA always proves the theory that a camel is actually a horse, designed by committee.

no its not they told us it was new!!

 

exactly made up on the hoof.............they wonder why we have no faith in them!

[500cc 309]

 

 

There has to be a rule put in place that ensures 7 and 8+ riders are not in the heats alongside reserves

 

 

Whichever way they go, there is going to be teams looking for loop holes from day one like signing a 4+ rider, getting him to average 6+ in easier heats against NL reserves and then replace him with a real 6+ rider who becomes a 7+ rider !

I agree that's the concern.

 

To an extent the current format has a kind of equality on strength of opposition. By creating a greater inequality, the averages become distorted and once again open up manipulation and loopholes.

[Skidder1 7,632]

As we seem to be following the Swedish and/or Polish model, maybe we can look forward to doing away with points limits in future seasons, as Poland have done for 2014??!

[stevebrum 6,820]

As we seem to be following the Swedish and/or Polish model, maybe we can look forward to doing away with points limits in future seasons, as Poland have done for 2014??!

That would be a dream, but it wont happen sadly.