Steve Shovlar 10,424 Posted March 28, 2014 It seems there's a new rule out there we didn't know about. In tonight's Leicester V wolves fixture, Wolves have drafted in Chris Harris as a guest for Piotr Pawlicki, who is second in the averages. Last season this would have been impossible as guests were only allowed for your number one, and r/r would have to have been used. Thoughts? Good or bad for the sport? Personally I don't like it as guest are a bane of the sport. We virtually sealed it up but now it looks like the can of worms could be open again. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fromafar 10,226 Posted March 28, 2014 That's the sport these days it's just a total shambles. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YerRopes 3,008 Posted March 28, 2014 It does at least increase the likelihood of 7 man teams..and should cut-down the number of '2 Minute Warnings'.. However it will prove to be contentious should Bomber or the like be used as a guest for Josh Grajczonek or Nicolai Klindt (for example) should they get inflated averages from riding against the NL guys so regularly.. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
John Leslie 3,213 Posted March 28, 2014 (edited) It seems there's a new rule out there we didn't know about.What's all this "we" business? You mean you haven't read rule 17.6? 17.6 FACILITIES a) Absent Rider (1–5) G or ARR b.) “No Facility” for Absent 1-5 PL G (PL MA of 6.00 or less) c) Absent #6 or #7 G (FTDP Rider only) If a Replacement PL Rider also has a current EL MA then the higher of the MA’s will dictate the eligibility Edited March 28, 2014 by John Leslie Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Midland Red 2,383 Posted March 28, 2014 (edited) It seems there's a new rule out there we didn't know about. In tonight's Leicester V wolves fixture, Wolves have drafted in Chris Harris as a guest for Piotr Pawlicki, who is second in the averages. Last season this would have been impossible as guests were only allowed for your number one, and r/r would have to have been used. Thoughts? Good or bad for the sport? Personally I don't like it as guest are a bane of the sport. We virtually sealed it up but now it looks like the can of worms could be open again. So who is guesting for Bees tonight in place of Bomber? Edited March 28, 2014 by Midland Red 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fromafar 10,226 Posted March 28, 2014 What's all this "we" business?You mean you haven't read rule 17.6?17.6 FACILITIESa) Absent Rider (1–5) G or ARRb.) “No Facility” for Absent 1-5 PL G (PL MA of 6.00 or less)c) Absent #6 or #7 G (FTDP Rider only)If a Replacement PL Rider also has a current EL MA then the higher of the MA’s will dictate the eligibilitySimples isn't it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevebrum 6,819 Posted March 28, 2014 It seems there's a new rule out there we didn't know about. In tonight's Leicester V wolves fixture, Wolves have drafted in Chris Harris as a guest for Piotr Pawlicki, who is second in the averages. Last season this would have been impossible as guests were only allowed for your number one, and r/r would have to have been used. Thoughts? Good or bad for the sport? Personally I don't like it as guest are a bane of the sport. We virtually sealed it up but now it looks like the can of worms could be open again. Wolves aren't racing at Leicester tonight, its Saturday. Don`t let facts get in the way of a chance to have a go at Wolves tho. Hate guests, but unfortunately they are part and parcel of the Sport these days. and lets face it even more important now when you cant include reserves as equal team members. I have no idea if the rules have changed, but nothing surprises me about Speedway and its rules. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Crazy robin 2,963 Posted March 28, 2014 A good idea to have guests as r/r with draft reserves just doesn't work. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Grachan 7,314 Posted March 28, 2014 (edited) As already pointed out, this is totally open to abuse within the rules. we have heatleaders who could be averaging 5 points due to the race format. Then we have second strings who could be averaging 6 for the same reason. Consequently, you'll get injured riders of second string standard being replaced by heat leader standard riders with a lower average. It should be a guest for number ones and number ones only. Edited March 28, 2014 by grachan 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bagpuss 10,687 Posted March 28, 2014 Good idea in theory as I detest R/R but unfortunately I can see it being exploited and there being even more horses-for-courses ringers popping up to replace 'injured' riders. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Steve Shovlar 10,424 Posted March 28, 2014 Wolves aren't racing at Leicester tonight, its Saturday. Don`t let facts get in the way of a chance to have a go at Wolves tho. What on earth are you on about? Where have I had a go at Wolves? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
g13webb 4,254 Posted March 28, 2014 Good idea in theory as I detest R/R but unfortunately I can see it being exploited and there being even more horses-for-courses ringers popping up to replace 'injured' riders. Plus the thought of some low average heat leader guesting for an inflated 2nd string, the mind boggles of all the doors opening for deception. Sometime I think rules are purposely included for their deception values. I've always been of the impression, rules are included before looking at all the implications........ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted March 28, 2014 (edited) Wonder what the line-ups eventually turn out to be for tomorrows Eagles v Brummies? It's unclear (or is it just me?) who takes priority - EL, PL, NL? 1 day to go & nothing official - is this really good enough & have the changes moved speedway on? (That's enough questions for one post). Edited March 28, 2014 by Guest Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Midland Red 2,383 Posted March 28, 2014 What on earth are you on about? What on earth are YOU on about? Harris rides for Bees tonight!!! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TMW 532 Posted March 28, 2014 What on earth are YOU on about? Harris rides for Bees tonight!!! if anyone turns up tonight they will be very lonely. The fixture is tomorrow Share this post Link to post Share on other sites