steven101 103 Posted April 22, 2014 Anybody know when riders get their new averages? Be interesting to see how high the averages of some of the riders at 2 and 4 have raised. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skidder1 7,636 Posted April 23, 2014 23rd of the month is usually the cut-off' date. New averages come into effect at the start of the following month! NB. Michelsen of Eastbourne gets a new rolling average this Friday which makes him a heat leader!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pirate Nick 1,801 Posted April 23, 2014 23rd of the month is usually the cut-off' date. New averages come into effect at the start of the following month! NB. Michelsen of Eastbourne gets a new rolling average this Friday which makes him a heat leader!!! Wouldn't be surprised if it makes him no1. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
semion 2,192 Posted April 23, 2014 Will be good for Poole when Milik gets his average to a level where KK can nip in as a replacement, Then KK can work his average up in the number 4 berth to a level where Holder can nip in just before the play-offs. Win Win For Poole and British Speedway. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skidder1 7,636 Posted April 23, 2014 Will be good for Poole when Milik gets his average to a level where KK can nip in as a replacement, Then KK can work his average up in the number 4 berth to a level where Holder can nip in just before the play-offs. Win Win For Poole and British Speedway. Milik has ridden 4 meetings so far (3H/1A), taking 16 rides and scoring 28+1 points - hardly 'world-beater' stats!!!!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
semion 2,192 Posted April 23, 2014 (edited) Milik has ridden 4 meetings so far (3H/1A), taking 16 rides and scoring 28+1 points - hardly 'world-beater' stats!!!!!! Its all about the timing. Dont want the Pirates to peek to early. Holder needs to be in situ around September time. Thats Months away. 7.25 average aint bad for a newcomer. Edited April 23, 2014 by semion Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tellboy 3,660 Posted April 23, 2014 (edited) Will be good for Poole when Milik gets his average to a level where KK can nip in as a replacement, Then KK can work his average up in the number 4 berth to a level where Holder can nip in just before the play-offs. Win Win For Poole and British Speedway. This is true about the number 2 and 4 positions,not just for Poole (before Starman and Shovlar jump on me).I hope the BSPA have thought of something to stop this sort of scenario happening.No disrespect to the 2 and 4's out there but they get there averages inflated by not having the harder races as they did last year.When there averages go up you can replace them,and about 2 changes up the line you can have the likes of Holder,Hancock,Sayfutdinov and Pedersen if they wanted to do the end of the season and the play-offs. So let's hope the BSPA have thought of this and got something in place. Maybe if you wanted to replace a rider you can only replace them on their starting average or something.I don't know,it's a tricky situation really. Edited April 23, 2014 by tellboy 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BWitcher 12,453 Posted April 23, 2014 (edited) Milik has ridden 4 meetings so far (3H/1A), taking 16 rides and scoring 28+1 points - hardly 'world-beater' stats!!!!!! Your stats are not exactly helping you. 28 pts from 16 rides gives him an average of 7.00. This is only likely to increase as he gets more dialled in, particularly at home. An example of a 4pt rider, potentially getting up to an 8pt average, at which point he could be replaced. I'm not saying he will be.. but it will become farcical if such situations occur. Edited April 23, 2014 by BWitcher 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skidder1 7,636 Posted April 23, 2014 Your stats are not exactly helping you. 28 pts from 16 rides gives him an average of 7.00. This is only likely to increase as he gets more dialled in, particularly at home. An example of a 4pt rider, potentially getting up to an 8pt average, at which point he could be replaced. I'm not saying he will be.. but it will become farcical if such situations occur. But as I say that's from 3 home and 1 away so far. If he can't stay on the bike at home goodness knows how few he will score away - at least in the 'A' fixtures!! As far as the N0.2 riders are concerned, they are up against the opposing No 1 in heat 1 and also against the opposing 3 & 5 in heat 10 at home, so not all 'easy' rides!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Crazy robin 2,963 Posted April 23, 2014 Amazing really how the no 2 & 4 are easier slots yet both Swindon riders had lowered their average. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
waiheke1 4,295 Posted April 23, 2014 (edited) This is true about the number 2 positions,not just for Poole (before Starman and Shovlar jump on me).I hope the BSPA have thought of something to stop this sort of scenario happening.No disrespect to the 2 and 4's out there but they get there averages inflated by not having the harder races as they did last year.When there averages go up you can replace them,and about 2 changes up the line you can have the likes of Holder,Hancock,Sayfutdinov and Pedersen if they wanted to do the end of the season and the play-offs. So let's hope the BSPA have thought of this and got something in place. Maybe if you wanted to replace a rider you can only replace them on their starting average or something.I don't know,it's a tricky situation really. I'm not sure this system can be worked so far as to get a holder or emil in, but certainly the next tier rider e.g. kk. This potential issue has been flagged on numerous threads, and I don't believe bspa have anything in place to prevent it - certainly nothing in the rule book, and surely too late to amend that now. Situation is most extreme for riders like milik on an wssessed average, and therefore without the "smoothing" impact of rolling averages. Porsing at kl or palm toft at bv are prime examples of other riders who could be replaced later in the season with vastly superior riders. Milik with a 7 average I believe would become a hl atvpoole once he has an official average, and that would be the optimum time to replace him i.e. before his average drops from riding as a hl. Would the "best interests of speedway" principle stop teams doing such rider swaps? Edited April 23, 2014 by waihekeaces1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eric i 617 Posted April 23, 2014 If a rider like Michael palm toft does a year in the el and gets an average of 5 but next year wants to move back to pl will he keep his pl average or will it be his converted el average? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mikebv 10,273 Posted April 23, 2014 (edited) wouldnt any replacements still have to be within a total team figure of 35 points for the top five throughout the season?? Edited April 23, 2014 by mikebv 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeilWatson 1,988 Posted April 23, 2014 wouldnt any replacements still have to be within a total team figure of 35 points for the top five?? 32......... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mikebv 10,273 Posted April 23, 2014 32......... cheers.... would replacements still need to be within this figure?? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
