Belle Vue National Stadium

[Grand Central 2,654]

" BVA raised issues with the track sub base at turns 3 and 4 on 17th March 2016 (2 days prior to the Grand Opening Event)."

 

I haven't heard that specfic claim before.

 

Not that BVA just had an issue with 'the track', on two turns.

But with the sub base itself.

Two days BEFORE the GOM event.

 

I thought the sub-base issue was only revealed to BVA in the days following the GOM when the 'test holes' were dug.

 

I notice that MCC do NOT say in what form was this 'raised' by BVA and, more particularly, with whom?

Edited March 28, 2017 by Grand Central

[Vince 9,454]

I think that's just clever use of wording by the council to muddy the issue.

 

Sounds like a brickie being held responsible for the footings collapsing to me.

 

If somebody is contracted to supply a base built to a certain standard and using specific materials and when you check it out all looks fine then you would be right to assume they had delivered what was agreed. If things later change because that, now hidden, base is unsatisfactory it can hardly be the fault of the track curator who specialises in the shale surface.

[Daniel Smith 5,645]

I think that's just clever use of wording by the council to muddy the issue.

 

Sounds like a brickie being held responsible for the footings collapsing to me.

 

If somebody is contracted to supply a base built to a certain standard and using specific materials and when you check it out all looks fine then you would be right to assume they had delivered what was agreed. If things later change because that, now hidden, base is unsatisfactory it can hardly be the fault of the track curator who specialises in the shale surface.

 

It's either muddying the waters or fact.

Either way, what the MCC have done is put it in BVA's court to prove that they were involved in the track build.

If BVA can't prove they wasn't involved in the track build the legal case for losses will collapse.

It's as simple as that.

The whole case is about BVA recovering losses which predominantly is all around track issues.

MCC have obviously got something in hand to cover themselves.

[PHILIPRISING 7,298]

 

It's either muddying the waters or fact.

Either way, what the MCC have done is put it in BVA's court to prove that they were involved in the track build.

If BVA can't prove they wasn't involved in the track build the legal case for losses will collapse.

It's as simple as that.

The whole case is about BVA recovering losses which predominantly is all around track issues.

MCC have obviously got something in hand to cover themselves.

DON'T think they will have trouble proving that they were unaware of what was used as the sub-base on turns three and four.

[Daniel Smith 5,645]

DON'T think they will have trouble proving that they were unaware of what was used as the sub-base on turns three and four.

 

I hope so for their own personal sake.

Taking on any council for such a high value can be hugely financially​ damaging if they lose.

Obviously the loses are already big but this court case could end up catastrophic.

 

Regardless of my thoughts on the case, as a human being I certainly don't wish the people involved in BVA serious financial hardships to the point they and the family end up on the street.

[colin wood 249]

As Fred Flange has pointed out it wouldn't make sense to knowingly use sub standard material and then spend weeks sorting out the track including digging it up and lose a fortune in lost revenue.Surely the council don't expect anyone to believe this?

[The White Knight 9,039]

As Fred Flange has pointed out it wouldn't make sense to knowingly use sub standard material and then spend weeks sorting out the track including digging it up and lose a fortune in lost revenue.Surely the council don't expect anyone to believe this?

The Council will probably believe whatever makes them benefit more financially.

 

Or - am I a cynic........

[Daniel Smith 5,645]

As Fred Flange has pointed out it wouldn't make sense to knowingly use sub standard material and then spend weeks sorting out the track including digging it up and lose a fortune in lost revenue.Surely the council don't expect anyone to believe this?

 

It's not about believing, it's now down to BVA to prove without all considerable doubt that they were not involved with the track build.

 

Just a personal opinion to the question, does it make sense for BVA to agree to substandard material?

In fact, yes it does.

1. It's already been made clear that BVA had no track building experts
2. 1 of 3 BVA members could have just said 'just get it done, nobody needs to know. I won't say anything'
3. BVA would have been desperate to get the track completed for opening night

[arnieg 3,614]

The Council will probably believe whatever makes them benefit more financially.

 

Or - am I a cynic........

In my experience money is a secondary consideration. The primary ones are:

 

- for senior officers: 'will I keep my job'

- for councillors: 'does this avoid damaging my reputation'

 

It is quite astounding how much money some council's will waste in pursuance of these two goals.

[ouch 1,191]

Danny has a point as daft as it sounds. I think it was a Roger Cook programme where someone's new family home fell down leaving the young family homeless. They approached the company that built the houses but they just turned round and said you had a hand in building the house. They didn't but couldn't prove it. As far as I know they are still homeless.

 

I had a some soup in a restaurant on Saturday and complained to the waiter about a fly in my soup. The chef came out of the kitchen accusing me of having helped make the soup saying the broccoli was from Aldi. I collect trollies for Aldi and couldn't disprove my participation in the supply chain. Needless to say I got no refund - again.

 

It sound bonkers but as with Danny's scenario it's all true, honest, it's not silly, at all.

[waytogo28 2,054]

You've not really thought that one through have you?

 

Apart from the obvious, if BVA knew that used nappies had been used in the base of turns 3&4 why did they spend over 6 weeks sorting it out while at the same time hemorrhaging cash?

 

It's almost as ridiculous (and funny) as one gormless old fool claiming slander after making a Personal Message public, derrrr.... ha ha!

 

Are you his 'legal representative' by any chance?

 

As the one labelled the "gormless old fool " I feel it is my public duty to reveal further information about the libellous letter written to me in pm. I posted it to prevent the possibility of violent threatening acts outside of this forum ( i.e. history repeating itself ) The powers that be gave me detailed information of the violent past record of FF and his general instability . Unstable enough to have been banned on here several times and come back in other incarnations (Drop a Cog ). I didn't think that was permitted on here but is you have as many "dear friends" apparently you can. Hmmm. After what they told me I know that you can't be DG as it seems you have only been to the NSS on one occasion and thankfully now that Brandon is closed you can't be arrested and banned from there again. Hmmm. What a pity that civilised debate is beyond your powers FF . Hmmm. From one "gormless old fool" to another it seems.

[mikebv 10,224]

Day off today, looks like time to get the popcorn out. ...

 

Over to you FF....

 

Now, Salted or Sweet..?

Edited March 29, 2017 by mikebv

[Phil The Ace 2,853]

Last night showed we all have to do whatever we can keep the NSS.

 

Putting jealousy aside the NSS can improve the product over here. We need to use this to sell the sport.

[teaboy279 1,038]

Should be used every night of the week, a track with genuine lines everywhere are only really found in Poland. And I would say it's better then nearly if not all tracks over there.