Rob B 1,255 Posted June 5, 2014 http://www.bellevueaces.co/newsitem.aspx?id=1157 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
waiheke1 4,295 Posted June 5, 2014 Without being negative,, is that really "concrete news." While I guess it is positive news, the fact that it still doesn't have planning permission seems to indicate someway to go before a usable stadium - 2016 at the earliest? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aces51 2,778 Posted June 5, 2014 (edited) The positive news has to be that it is still moving forward, that the council are fully supportive, that it has now reached the stage of a series of information displays to the public and that the planning application is expected later this month. We would all prefer to see much quicker progress, including the Belle Vue promotion. However, that is not in their hands but slowly and surely things are progressing. Edited June 5, 2014 by Aces51 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
arthur cross 492 Posted June 5, 2014 EXPECT some positive and concrete news about the Belle Vue National Stadium later this week... Is today's press release from the Aces what you trailed as "positive news" ? Because if it is, this project has reached the giddy heights of regarding people being able to go along to their local library to see some sketches as "positive news" or as Dave Gordon refers to it, "a massive step forward". More accurately, one of the most basic steps within any planning process (letting the locals have a look at it) is going to take place in a few days' time. If the clowns that run Belle Vue are getting so excited about this basic step, no wonder they're going to be so far out of their depth if they ever have to actually run this project should it ever get completed. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
oldace 1,678 Posted June 5, 2014 What a nonsense article, its just a load of words that say nothing. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pugwash 3,208 Posted June 5, 2014 (edited) Breaking News on Channel Nine:- Bono estente. Falia helé, Falia hela, Falia helé - David Gordon. Heth - eth - eth - eth - eth - eth - eth - eth - eth- Chris Morton. Edited June 5, 2014 by pugwash Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
arthur cross 492 Posted June 5, 2014 (edited) Breaking News on Channel Nine:- Bono estente. Falia helé, Falia hela, Falia helé - David Gordon. Heth - eth - eth - eth - eth - eth - eth - eth - eth- Chris Morton. And expect very slick and dreadfully dusty conditions when it's "Scorchio" Edited June 5, 2014 by arthur cross Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aces51 2,778 Posted June 5, 2014 No wonder this forum is regarded so poorly with the cynicism and negativity that a seems to pervade most threads. I prefer to be an optimistic realist. Plainly, the planning application stage is now very close for the Sports Village, which is a major project for the city. That is new news and a major step forward. It's a catch 22. The promoters are criticised when there is no news and now, when they release details of another step on the way to achieving the new stadium. 7 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Star Lady 5,400 Posted June 5, 2014 Surely it's all about perception. The PR says a landmark, I'd prefer it if it said another step on the way. Promoters (all of them and commentators too) constantly overegg the pudding. Give us facts and we will make up our own minds if it's a Landmark or another step along the path. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv 10,706 Posted June 5, 2014 (edited) No wonder this forum is regarded so poorly with the cynicism and negativity that a seems to pervade most threads. whilst I agree with the general sentiment of you point it has to be said that you can to an extent understand the cynics view. This is after all a project that was launched many years ago and was due for completion 3 years ago but as yet has not even been submitted for planning. I hope and expect that it will happen but it is likely to be a number of years yet before a wheel is turned IMO. Edited June 5, 2014 by dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
arthur cross 492 Posted June 5, 2014 (edited) No wonder this forum is regarded so poorly with the cynicism and negativity that a seems to pervade most threads. I prefer to be an optimistic realist. Plainly, the planning application stage is now very close for the Sports Village, which is a major project for the city. That is new news and a major step forward. It's a catch 22. The promoters are criticised when there is no news and now, when they release details of another step on the way to achieving the new stadium. If you're wondering why there's some cynicism and negativity hanging around, have a look at the following article ... http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/other-sport/speedway/belle-vue-hoping-to-host-2013-681359 In other words, it's taken 28 months of "making substantial progress" according to Dave Gordon in that article from February 2012 just to reach the stage where he now reckons it's a "massive step forward" that the locals can have a quick squint at what it might eventually look like. Back in the 1990's, Durham cricket took only 5 years to go all the way from being a minor-county needing to build a suitable stadium to apply for first-class status (1990) ... to gaining that upgrade and becoming the 18th first-class county while still using club grounds for home matches (1992) ... to start playing home matches at their Riverside ground in Chester-le-Street (May 1995) that's gone on to host plenty of innternational matches including its first Ashes Test last year. Yet Belle Vue, despite already being at its sport's top domestic level, has already used up nearly half of that Durham timeline just to showcase its sketchpad. And you're still wondering why there's some cynicism and negativity hanging around ? Edited June 5, 2014 by arthur cross 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BWitcher 12,453 Posted June 5, 2014 No wonder this forum is regarded so poorly with the cynicism and negativity that a seems to pervade most threads. I prefer to be an optimistic realist. Plainly, the planning application stage is now very close for the Sports Village, which is a major project for the city. That is new news and a major step forward. It's a catch 22. The promoters are criticised when there is no news and now, when they release details of another step on the way to achieving the new stadium. No, they are criticised for stating something is a big step, when it isn't. There is no big step here. If and when it passes the planning application, that's a big step. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ommer Mon 381 Posted June 5, 2014 When the consultations start the NIMBYs gather. Brace yourselves for some opposition with ridiculous arguements. Birmingham had the University complaining that the noise would prevent their students doing their studies during the evening (remind me when that ever happened!) and Cradley were faced with the 'fact' that Speedway bikes have to be revved constantly all through the meeting or the engines seize up. At least the Aces have the Council on their side so they should be able to put a robust defence forward. Best of luck to all involved. It's about time the profile of the sport was raised above some of the poor facilities that fans have to endure. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iainb 4,993 Posted June 5, 2014 And while we're being all negative, I don't know why Gordon/Morton keep going off to have a look at Torun, if the artist impression is anything to go by they'd be better off going to the East of England Showground 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
