Big Al 708 Posted July 2, 2014 So Jim, if nightshift had said "they still turn up when there is a meeting at BP" you would have been in agrement with his post? The other points you make are conjecture on your part. I belive the promotion is making money, the business plan includes the building of a perminent stand (planning now approved) and yes the sport in Leicester goes from strength to strength which is something we should applaud given the sad state of some clubs (which I hope improve) rather than slam! Oh and by the way..I think the straights are too long for the bends and the track shape should be ammended when it is possible to do so. This will provide better racing although not such an increase in passes as some people would like to believe just more in line with what is seen at some tracks I think you'll find that the planning permission for the stand was granted back in 2010, along with all sorts of other proviso's agreed-on between Leicester City Council and Beaumont Sports Complex Ltd as part of the latter being granted the leasehold on the land. So to claim that planning permission for the stand has just been approved, is being somewhat economical with the truth! The recent planning permission, is in part a retrospective adjustment to the 2010 permission, and partly the Council giving "fresh impetus" to the extensive development work (of which the stand is just a part), a lot of which has not taken place, and which is going to cost a fair bit of money to carry out. This isn't speculation by the way, it comes from public documents. So I'd be wary of drinking-in what David Hemsley says in the media, he is probably putting a large spin on things and naturally is not going to divulge the full extent of matters. There have been many cases of businesses talking themselves up, and drawing attention to how things appear on the surface, whilst what lies underneath is less than healthy! It also means that the necessary cost of remedying the terrible track, is probably beyond the current means of Leicester Speedway Ltd or Beaumont Sports Complex Ltd. Another reason that DH insists publicly, that the racing is great. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Leicester Lion 274 Posted July 2, 2014 As I have said before and will say again. Most of the racing in the EL follows the same follow me fashion. Yes we get some real great meetings but they are very far and few. It is a case of away from the tapes and get to the front and stay there with the other 3 following on behind. The way the tracks are set up these days and the speed that the bikes go do away with a lot of close riding. Plus the fact that the EL league riders are so far apart from each other in skill levels that you are always going to get this follow me type of racing. DH has based his track on some of the tracks on the continent, you only have to go to any Polish or Swedish track and you will get to see where he got some of his ideas from. The only problem being that the track is far to narrow and the centre is also to narrow. The centre should have been at least another 5 metres wider and the track at least another lane wider if not a little bit more. With a wider track and longer radii bends then you could have lived with the longer straights. But there is no way you can do that now without bulldozing the whole lot and re-starting again. The whole track area has been built on two small a footprint to do very much with, without major work, to the stadium. I can't see anyone even contenplating taking on a masive restrucuring of the track. Ok you can shorten the straights and make the bends wider, but you are still left with a narrow track, if you widen it any more you will then end up with a centre green area, like a strip of grass at the side of the road. It needed to be a larger footprint to the whole stadium when it was built. A lot of well made points, a lot to respond to, but here goes... A lot of races at all levels are indeed won from the gate. But at BP the races are almost always strung out after the first half lap. At many other tracks, even if there is no passing in a race, the riders are often at least on the same part of the track as each other, not 30m apart. DH seems to have based the track on the Leicester cycle speedway track. The distances between the straights, and the distances between the corners are in exactly the same proportions. Swedish, and especially Polish tracks are longer than BP, but the straights are invariably much shorter compared with BP. The track appears to be narrow. In fact, it is regulation width (the FIM regulations say 10m minimum). The dimensions of the track severely limit the usable parts of the straights, so they appear narrower than they are. I agree that the centre green is too narrow, and the sharpness of the bends would be significantly reduced if the centre green was 10m wider (back straight to home straight). Were that the case, the track would be remarkably similar to King's Lynn (it's almost as if the track was wrongly marked out at the outset, and the outside of the home straight should have been the inside line instead - no-one could make such a fundamental mistake, could they?). I absolutely agree that the footprint was too small. Sadly, it had to be in order to get the planning application through because the other activities that were supposed to be sharing the "sports complex" required much of the space. The application relied heavily on the multi-use resource that BP was going to provide to the local community. Given the choice, no-one in their right mind would have set out to have standing areas on the corners and back straight less than 5m deep, would they? One of the most highly rated tracks for good racing was Trelawny, sadly now lost forever. In the available space at BP, it would be possible to move one or both of the corners to create a track of similar dimensions to Trelawny (which was just 230m long). This would give an added bonus of much more potential space for spectators on one or both corners. The expense of moving the drainage system at BP would appear to be prohibitive to any changes which involve significantly shortening the track. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1 valve 558 Posted July 4, 2014 It also means that the necessary cost of remedying the terrible track, is probably beyond the current means of Leicester Speedway Ltd or Beaumont Sports Complex Ltd. Another reason that DH insists publicly, that the racing is great. I think you are spot on - If he came out and said he needed cash and or vounteers I think the problem could be solved as most of the cost would be labour related and we know there would be plenty of volunteers. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skodaman 192 Posted July 6, 2014 They are ..there not going anymore and telling him why on Forums like this ...When people moan about a business then the owner does something about it . He has told me personally that he does not use any personal media sites such as this forum , Facebook or Twitter. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mrcts 252 Posted July 6, 2014 He has told me personally that he does not use any personal media sites such as this forum , Facebook or Twitter.Maybe not,but surely he can't be blind can he? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Big Al 708 Posted July 6, 2014 I think you are spot on - If he came out and said he needed cash and or vounteers I think the problem could be solved as most of the cost would be labour related and we know there would be plenty of volunteers. In which case, it is his pride/ego stopping him from acting? Or possibly hoping that, by continuing with the denial, it will somehow improve any possible sale price he aspires to achieve? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weatherwatcher 664 Posted July 6, 2014 Can't see him selling Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mrcts 252 Posted July 8, 2014 (edited) Can't see him selling Edited July 15, 2014 by mrcts Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Triple.H. 1,982 Posted July 14, 2014 If i was CEO of the team sponsor i would be asking why the Team Manager is wearing a cap that hasn't got our bloody logo on it. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weatherwatcher 664 Posted July 15, 2014 MAYBE CAN'T GET ONE THAT IS BIG ENOUGH 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Triple.H. 1,982 Posted July 15, 2014 MAYBE CAN'T GET ONE THAT IS BIG ENOUGHNot a fan then ?Even if he had worn a bog/big standard Leicester cap it would have looked more proffesional. Look at Middlo his shirt and cap are covered in logos. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TonyE 822 Posted July 16, 2014 Not a fan then ? Even if he had worn a bog/big standard Leicester cap it would have looked more proffesional. Look at Middlo his shirt and cap are covered in logos. Which would be fine if he just kept his lips sealed! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BluTiger 21,662 Posted July 16, 2014 Not a fan then ? Even if he had worn a bog/big standard Leicester cap it would have looked more proffesional. Look at Middlo his shirt and cap are covered in logos. But Middlo looks like a clown because that's ridiculous overkill in his case. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skodaman 192 Posted July 16, 2014 (edited) If i was CEO of the team sponsor i would be asking why the Team Manager is wearing a cap that hasn't got our bloody logo on it. Hes not allowed to wear club colours when sky cameras might pick them up! A stupid rule really!! Edited July 16, 2014 by Fanmale Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
robert72 845 Posted July 18, 2014 Not a fan then ? Even if he had worn a bog/big standard Leicester cap it would have looked more proffesional. Look at Middlo his shirt and cap are covered in logos. Middlo is very professional and supportive of his riders and sponsors at Poole,that's the difference. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
