Darcy Ward

[PHILIPRISING 7,298]

I'M not arguing against the punishment, which is probably two months short of what most people would have expected, just that I cannot see how his clubs can be penalised for using a rider who had every right to ride at that time. Or that Ward should refund money he legitimately earned.

[salty 2,200]

Think you are right, but was in use before that. The Berwick one I think was Peter Waite trying to put Paul Bentley back in shortly after the first League Cup meetings. It was a bit obvious.

The Berwick one was when he had Rymel, Makovsky and Franc all in on 9.00 assessed averages and wanted to bring Bentley in once their averages had gone down. As Bentley was in their previous years final 1-7 this rule was used to stop him coming in.

Totally different circs with Ward, but will be interesting to see what happens. If their rumoured introduction of Gomolski on a low average comes to pass, one would imagine him having boosted it by the end of June which may cause difficulties for Poole.

[bazlux 26]

Not posted for years but forfeiture of points and prizes would surely not include monies paid for scoring points as it does not constitute a prize

[waiheke1 4,295]

No but if he forfeits the points, then he was paid points money for points he didn't score. The "prizes" part is irrelevant.

[uk_martin 1,606]

Not posted for years but forfeiture of points and prizes would surely not include monies paid for scoring points as it does not constitute a prize

 

If a prize is the reward for endeavour, then points money is the prize you get for each race. It may be called something else, but I think that the FIM will seek to make sure that Darcy does not "profit" from his time between 17-28 August.

 

As for clubs/teams being penalised, you could argue that teams could / should have taken pre-emptive measures and suspended Darcy in the way that Man United suspended Erik Cantona, well before the FA handed out their punishment for his infamous king fu kick. Let that be a lesson to those promoters who live in a land of denial of what goes on in the real world. Let it also be a lesson to the BSPA and PZM for not taking immediate action against a rider who brought the sport into disrepute (at the very least).

Edited February 26, 2015 by uk martin

[PHILIPRISING 7,298]

 

If a prize is the reward for endeavour, then points money is the prize you get for each race. It may be called something else, but I think that the FIM will seek to make sure that Darcy does not "profit" from his time between 17-28 August.

 

As for clubs/teams being penalised, you could argue that teams could / should have taken pre-emptive measures and suspended Darcy in the way that Man United suspended Erik Cantona, well before the FA handed out their punishment for his infamous king fu kick. Let that be a lesson to those promoters who live in a land of denial of what goes on in the real world. Let it also be a lesson to the BSPA and PZM for not taking immediate action against a rider who brought the sport into disrepute (at the very least).

Fair enough but all would have been avoided had the FIM acted immediately.

[uk_martin 1,606]

Fair enough but all would have been avoided had the FIM acted immediately.

 

We are where we are now. How we got here will fade into the past.

Edited February 26, 2015 by uk martin

[PHILIPRISING 7,298]

 

We are where we are now. How we got here will fade into the past.

Hopefully along with the 300 plus pages on here ...

[bazlux 26]

Can't see any points money being returned or requested by his promotions. He rode with valid licence, people paid to see him and he got paid for riding. The ban is the punishment and the couple of weeks worked in August 2014 is offset by couple of weeks added at end of ban.

[BWitcher 12,453]

Hopefully along with the 300 plus pages on here ...

 

And the utter diatribe that has been published regarding the issue, instead of manning up and pointing out quite categorically that Ward was in the wrong and there shouldn't be a place in the sport for riders riding whilst under the influence of alcohol, REGARDLESS of the amount.

 

Even now, it's still a case of trying to blame someone else.

[Grand Central 2,654]

A consistent feature of this debate has been the predilection for 'diversionary' chatter that takes away from the central issue.

 

OK Ward should have been suspended from the first moment he failed the test.

But he wasn't.

 

When he was suspended ten days later.

Ward actually appealed to avoid such action ahead of a hearing.

This was rightly denied.

 

He has now been judged fairly and properly.

And banned for HIS misbehaviour.

 

The judge says he must forfeit the gains made during those ten days of freedom.

Damned right.

 

Let's all just applaud the judge on getting the whole thing right.

In the end.

 

As someone once said.

Rejoice! Rejoice!

 

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Edited February 27, 2015 by Grand Central

[PHILIPRISING 7,298]

IT was up to the FIM to determine whether or not Ward was guilty not Speedway Star or any other publication and neither should SS censor publicly made comments just because some people find them disagreeable.

[Dave Jones 2,125]

 

And the utter diatribe that has been published regarding the issue, instead of manning up and pointing out quite categorically that Ward was in the wrong and there shouldn't be a place in the sport for riders riding whilst under the influence of alcohol, REGARDLESS of the amount.

 

Even now, it's still a case of trying to blame someone else.

Survival within British Speedway = Not creating waves?

[BWitcher 12,453]

IT was up to the FIM to determine whether or not Ward was guilty not Speedway Star or any other publication and neither should SS censor publicly made comments just because some people find them disagreeable.

 

The Speedway Star should report both sides of the story

 

It should make it clear that riders riding intoxicated should not in any way be tolerated.

 

I trust now the ban has been laid down and Wards guilt has been confirmed we will see a story condemning Ward for his actions?

[PHILIPRISING 7,298]

 

The Speedway Star should report both sides of the story

 

It should make it clear that riders riding intoxicated should not in any way be tolerated.

 

I trust now the ban has been laid down and Wards guilt has been confirmed we will see a story condemning Ward for his actions?

HAVE posted here numerous times that the FIM had no comment to make. Surely doesn't need anyone to make it clear that intoxicated riders should and cannot be tolerated in any way.