Birmingham Brummies 2015

[montie 1,273]

 

Injuries won't be the problem. Premier League teams poaching the best riders will be the problem. If Ellis and Perry are as good as is being said, then what's the betting a struggling PL team comes and takes one or both of these riders away? And then what? Remembering how fans reacted during "Birkogate", there may be all sorts of disquiet especially amongst the forum afficionados if the Brummies team is decimated. I think that it's going to take some getting used to that at NL level, winning the league isn't everything. Feeding riders to the upper leagues should be a mark of success as well. But who will see it that way? How many arguements and fall outs will happen along the way? And who will think that their hard earned cash is worth spending on a team that could struggle if the big guns are taken away from it? It's a fact of life that's not been faced before, and I think that fans need to be reconciled to it before making great expectations for themselves. I think that in true olympian spirit, the NL is all about the taking part, not the winning.

 

The bigger picture is going to hang around whether there will be more fans on the terraces at the end of the season than at the beginning. If there are the season has been a success. Where the Brummies finish in the league will be very much secondary.

isnt the idea of the NL to feed the leagues above it?

[teaboy279 1,038]

isnt the idea of the NL to feed the leagues above it?

In theory yes but a rider who has been developed by a national league team, should not miss a meeting a NL meeting to do a pre or elite in the event of a clash. The team you sign for first should have priority all season imo

[THE DEAN MACHINE 4,736]

isnt the idea of the NL to feed the leagues above it?

no the idea is please the paying supporters of that club even at NL level , ,speedway is for fans ,it is a form of entertainment and when you make it about the riders you have the sport we have today ,the future for riders is up to the riders to make a future for themselves

[montie 1,273]

no the idea is please the paying supporters of that club even at NL level , ,speedway is for fans ,it is a form of entertainment and when you make it about the riders you have the sport we have today ,the future for riders is up to the riders to make a future for themselves

So why does the EL and PL subsidise the NL then

 

Its called progress...and riders need that

[phillipsr 2,053]

no the idea is please the paying supporters of that club even at NL level , ,speedway is for fans ,it is a form of entertainment and when you make it about the riders you have the sport we have today ,the future for riders is up to the riders to make a future for themselves

Couldnt disagree more the idea of the NL is to nurture talent so those that are good enough can move up no rider should be aiming to be a serial NL rider

[THE DEAN MACHINE 4,736]

Couldnt disagree more the idea of the NL is to nurture talent so those that are good enough can move up no rider should be aiming to be a serial NL rider

thats the idea for the rider but that's not why NL teams exist and to say it's to train riders for higher clubs is an insult to every paying fan

[Halifaxtiger 5,318]

Couldnt disagree more the idea of the NL is to nurture talent

 

That is one intention behind the NL but for the majority of the clubs (if not all of them) it is not the only one, nor can it be.

 

All of the stand alone clubs in the NL are there because their attendances and overall income are insufficient to be in the EL or PL and that's precisely why Tony Mole and Bob Dugard entered their teams in that league. If all of their circumstances were favourable enough to enable a move to a higher level I have little doubt that they would be there - Birmingham, Eastbourne, Stoke & Mildenhall have all tried and there has been much talk about Cradley & Kent moving up. Buxton are the sole exception.

 

The NL is therefore just as much a business as the EL or PL and, in order to be viable, they have to attract fans in exactly the same way - by having a successful, winning team that serves up an entertaining product. It might be the NL, but if a team starts losing every week its supporters will still be out the door as fast as any at a PL club regardless of the development of young riders.

 

I doubt that there are many (if any) who aim to be a serial NL rider when they start out. Whether they end up like that is very much another matter.

 

Dean has, as usual, a point.

Edited December 29, 2014 by Halifaxtiger

[THE DEAN MACHINE 4,736]

So why does the EL and PL subsidise the NL then

 

Its called progress...and riders need that

could you explain how the elite and premier subsidise a club like Buxton? Let me into a little secret the elite and prem could care a Ratts ass about the NL if they did they would all run NL team ,they only show an interest when there is finacial gain for themselves . If you believe the 1st line of your post then you believe what you read in the speedway star snd press releases Edited December 29, 2014 by THE DEAN MACHINE

[junior fan 132]

 

So can Ellis as his PL average is under 5.00. I am pretty sure that that is something that Birmingham considered.

 

19.9.2.1 A Rider with a PL MA of 6.00 or below if not declared in a PL 1–7 at the start of the season,

although any such Rider who moves back into the PL will be ineligible if he has a PL MA of

5.00 or above. NB. A Rider with a PL MA of 5.00 or below joining a NL Team after losing a

PL Team place may not remain in the NL Team if he subsequently gains a PL Team place,

 

Cheers ok, that must have changed then as im sure it was only 4 last year which is why Adam and otheres werent n the NL last year.

 

Junior

[Halifaxtiger 5,318]

Cheers ok, that must have changed then as im sure it was only 4 last year which is why Adam and otheres werent n the NL last year.

 

Junior

 

To double up between a PL & NL club at the start of the season its 4.00. If you start the season at NL only you can double up later in the season if you are below 5.00.

 

In Ellis' case, he can't start the season doubling up but if he gains a PL place later in the season he can continue riding for Birmingham.

[arnieg 3,624]

To double up between a PL & NL club at the start of the season its 4.00. If you start the season at NL only you can double up later in the season if you are below 5.00.

 

In Ellis' case, he can't start the season doubling up but if he gains a PL place later in the season he can continue riding for Birmingham.

So could a PL team name (say) Max Dilger in their team having already agreed terms with Ellis and then redeclare their team after one match?

[Woz01 3,589]

thats the idea for the rider but that's not why NL teams exist and to say it's to train riders for higher clubs is an insult to every paying fan

Its exactly why Coventry Storm exist.

[THE DEAN MACHINE 4,736]

Its exactly why Coventry Storm exist.

if thats what you believe then that's fine but it's simply not true ,it's a nice idea though Edited December 30, 2014 by THE DEAN MACHINE

[Islander15 1,062]

if thats what you believe then that's fine but it's simply not true ,it's a nice idea though

Teams like Storm have 2 ideas: to find riders for the Bees and to be competitive enough to attract fans. If the first was the sole reason then I'd suggest that Farnaby and Ritchings wouldn't have signed as they aren't Coventry assets.

[Halifaxtiger 5,318]

So could a PL team name (say) Max Dilger in their team having already agreed terms with Ellis and then redeclare their team after one match?

 

In theory, yes. In practice