Warsaw Gp Saturday 18th April

[weatherwatcher 664]

All in all, the whole fiasco has done our sport no good at all. The GP's are the top dollar of speedway and they are making a mockery of it by using these temorary stadiums, just to get the crowds in and make the money. But what happened on Saturday just made the 18 riders look very poor indeed. I know they have to think of their saftey, but the track did not seem that bad.

I wasn't riding on it so can't say for sure.

How far will they go though, from now, if one rider falls off at the next GP do they all walk out again.

[fullbore 129]

Get TWO starting gates in,

Have been at Cardiff for years.

 

Niamh

[orion 7,612]

 

 

nonsense .... there is no sign of Holder having issues in ht10 and the viciousness of the grip he picked up left him no chance................. Batch in ht12 i'll agree with as he seemed unable to control what looked normally controllable and during that race he appeared to be struggling with his cornering......it cant be denied that he hit the same rut as Nicki though

 

did you also miss Nicki's issue in ht10 Orion?

 

 

I cant understand the logic in that over a straight refund other than they are betting on x thousand people not coming back next year...... sounds unlawful to me and if challenged I suspect they would be required to give back hard cash......... I guess at this stage it is something though

w 2 crashes one because a rider could not hold on to his bike and a issue in 12 heats wow ...amazing that the track only dangerous after 12 heats when no one could get a refund and riders got paid

[Barrycuda 184]

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[bluejam 846]

Been told by someone unfortunate enough to have been there that they have been informed if they post their tickets back they will be exchanged for tickets for next years event.

 

Question is would you risk it considering travel/accomodation costs.

 

Well,apart from the speedway,we had a wonderful weekend,and would go to the City of Warszawa at any given time.Will there be an event there next year after last Saturdays' fiasco?

 

My tickets were printed off internet,through Kupbilet.Are they offering refunds?

[Reevesey2 3]

I have contacted Viagogo who I purchased my tickets from - they have told me they are looking into the issue of refunds.

My issue is doubly confusing as they are a third party site and I paid over the odds for the tickets.

[bluejam 846]

Riders will give anything a go, but there comes a point where it becomes to dangerous. You cannot argue with them, they ride the track, the So called track curators come experts who sit in the stands don't.

Anybody who has thrown his or her leg over a speedway bike will know the feeling with all that power between your legs, and you hit a really bad rut at that sort of speed you'l be through the airfence and in most cases through the chicken wire and come out the other side as chips. Now, im not for one minute saying that the riders are totally exhonerated, but i still say it was a poor poor show for the fans that were in the stadium, and reguardless of what heat it finished for the purposes of a result whether its to keep the takings and appease the riders the bookmakers, which those who backed the outright winner or one for the frame would have lost their money. you could say its the equivelent of a 16 runner h'cap reduced to 15 so first 4 suddenly becomes first 3, how many times do you see that ?

From a bookmakers perspective theres not a lot you can do about it, but those in the stadium have been vastly short changed, and i still believe if those patrons have kept their credit card details or ticket stubs they should be compensated in some way or another by the organisers. problem nowadays is, money comes into everything.

 

http://speedwayupdates.proboards.com/thread/12801/belle-vue-poole-2013-30pm

 

Wasn't dangerous that night though was it Starry?

[spook 28]

w 2 crashes one because a rider could not hold on to his bike and a issue in 12 heats wow ...amazing that the track only dangerous after 12 heats when no one could get a refund and riders got paid

 

it isnt only crashes that show there is an issue..what happened to Nicki in ht10 was perhaps the best example... we cannot have riders being flung to the fence off the start because of the track........ maybe hunt down some posts from a few of us going through the specific issues that happened..... all 4 bends had been rutting since heat 6

 

the track needed work on it and like SCB said the other night, if so much time hadnt been spent mucking around with the tapes and having rider briefings they would have had that time to work on the track....... just like they have in the past when they have pushed through meetings

[Reevesey2 3]

Think the SStar reporting of events is generally quite balanced. Seems clear however that we have some way to go to establish some of the facts and that there will most likely be several versions of the truth.

Example is the Jason Doyle interview. He is very clearly of the view that it was Pedersen complaining to the ref on the telephone that got him excluded. Lawrence is claiming not so and that he couldn't even hear Nikki. So two questions - what was it that Pedersen tried to speak to the ref about? Why did it take so long to put the blue exclusion light on if he wasn't influenced?

Doyle is also claiming that in the riders meeting to explain the green light starts, they would be given a "second chance".

They can't both be right.

[HenryW 1,178]

They did do some extensive work on the track after heat 12, including bringing out a heavy roller...I'm not sure that any riders actually came out and looked at the track after they had done this work. I think they had already locked themselves away.

 

I don't have an issue with the riders being unhappy with the track conditions, and they are perfectly within their rights to refuse to continue.

 

I do have an issue with them hiding away from fans and refusing to explain themselves. They should have had the balls to come out and speak to the 53,000 crowd and tell them why they weren't continuing to race rather than hiding away until most of the stadium had emptied out.

 

I also have an issue with them receiving full pay for half a night's work. They rode until the point that they knew they wouldn't be asked to return or attend another venue the next day and then bailed on everyone. Pathetic.

[Tsunami 10,219]

But there was an issue with the starting gate. There was also an issue with the track and an issue with poor refereeing. You can't separate one from another and say what if?

 

You are losing sight of the fact that even if the full 23 heats had been run it would still have been a shambles of a meeting probably taking the best part of 4 hours to complete, on a deteriorating track, possibly with more crashes and further injuries.

 

Even if the riders had continued it would still have been an unacceptable standard for a showcase event and there would still be major questions to be asked about the track and general organisational standard. People who were put off the sport by th e cancellation would still be very likely put off if them event struggled on to full distance.

 

The one good thing that comes out of this is that there is probably ((slightly) more chance of something being done about it.

I couldn't understand that nothing was done to the track whilst discussions were taking place. A light blade, and tyre packing, together with a light watering, could have retrieved something to allow them to finish the meeting. The issue of the gates could have been forced on the riders as it was plain to see, except Doyle, that the gates off the green light were relatively decent and even.

[2ndBender 28]

All i will say to the organisers is, get Cardiff right, even if it means getting in there a few days earlier and letting the track bed in. Get TWO starting gates in, don't cut corners and do everything properly. Me, id get the Doc down from Wolvehampton to oversee the track prep.

I would also suggest that somebody from authority goes and checks the state of the shale that is going to Cardiff !!

Get Cardiff right? Not a chance. It's always been crap, as far as 'Speedway Racing' is concerned, no matter how often we try to delude ourselves that 'they really got the track right this year' and that it's the 'jewel in the Grand Prix crown'. I gave it the benefit of the doubt for the first ten years, but no more. And whilst I have travelled abroad to several Grands Prix, I wouldn't dream of going across the road to any of the rounds on temporary tracks.

[Tsunami 10,219]

Have been at Cardiff for years.

 

Niamh

Yep, they do usually use a double starting gate, so that a second set of tapes is available if the first set are demolished. Unfortunately there also appeared to be a problem with securing the inside gate to the base, and it that was true, it would probably have affected the double starting gate as well. Tapes operating inside a dry stadium, should not be a problem for anybody.

Get Cardiff right? Not a chance. It's always been crap, as far as 'Speedway Racing' is concerned, no matter how often we try to delude ourselves that 'they really got the track right this year' and that it's the 'jewel in the Grand Prix crown'. I gave it the benefit of the doubt for the first ten years, but no more. And whilst I have travelled abroad to several Grands Prix, I wouldn't dream of going across the road to any of the rounds on temporary tracks.

There has been some good tracks at Cardiff and one not so long ago that drew high praise from most on here. No good now rubbishing Cardiff, except for that one year which was a disaster.

[2ndBender 28]

Yep, they do usually use a double starting gate, so that a second set of tapes is available if the first set are demolished. Unfortunately there also appeared to be a problem with securing the inside gate to the base, and it that was true, it would probably have affected the double starting gate as well. Tapes operating inside a dry stadium, should not be a problem for anybody.

There has been some good tracks at Cardiff and one not so long ago that drew high praise from most on here. No good now rubbishing Cardiff, except for that one year which was a disaster.

I'm not rubbishing Cardiff just now.... I've always had my misgivings! I've always loved the day out, but I think we're all guilty of getting so wrapped up in the sense of occasion that we lose sight of the fact that the actual racing is never much better than very ordinary, at best. I'll never go again.

[Tsunami 10,219]

I'm not rubbishing Cardiff just now.... I've always had my misgivings! I've always loved the day out, but I think we're all guilty of getting so wrapped up in the sense of occasion that we lose sight of the fact that the actual racing is never much better than very ordinary, at best. I'll never go again.

Don't disagree with that but, apart from that one year, the track has generally been improving with a good one a couple of years ago. Like you, the socialising is the highlight of the weekend with a family holiday for the 6 of us, with the racing chucked in. This won't stop us from going in future years.