PolskiZuzel 329 Posted December 4, 2015 Perhaps the Poles, like GB, will have to learn not to rely on huuuuge sponsorship deals so much! Talking about GB...does anyone know how, or who is financing British clubs. Do riders get monthly salaries? or are they paid at the end of the seasonal contracts. How much do they get paid? Do they get paid for points scored, or perhaps for each won match. Do riders get extra pay for scoring every point they can? How much income, in percentage, clubs draw from paying public, and how much from sponsorships? Rough figures will do. Thanks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
racers and royals 8,719 Posted December 4, 2015 Talking about GB...does anyone know how, or who is financing British clubs. Do riders get monthly salaries? or are they paid at the end of the seasonal contracts. How much do they get paid? Do they get paid for points scored, or perhaps for each won match. Do riders get extra pay for scoring every point they can? How much income, in percentage, clubs draw from paying public, and how much from sponsorships? Rough figures will do. Thanks. All the questions you ask are difficult to answer because none of the information is in the public domain. The Elite league clubs have income from - TV money, sponsorship, gate receipts, programme sales and a few lucky ones have bar and catering income( kings lynn, Leicester and next season Belle Vue). Riders will get paid per points per match, some will be on minimum guarantee and some will have signing on fees. as an educated guess I would suggest that in general riders would be paid in Sweden 3 x GB rates and Poland 6 x GB rates. it was reported that Emil was on £1500 per point in Czestochowa a couple of years ago(not that he got it all) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ghostwalker 1,858 Posted December 4, 2015 (edited) R&R quite possible but you also have to have in mind that the riders ride much less meetings in Sweden/Poland compared to UK. In Elitserien (excluding "play offs") there is a potential of 16 meetings / season so compared on a season total the difference is probably smaller then what it might look like if you look at the points money.only. Edited December 4, 2015 by Ghostwalker Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
racers and royals 8,719 Posted December 4, 2015 Prem Pawlicki has left Leszno and joined Gorzow. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
uk_martin 1,606 Posted December 5, 2015 (edited) Prem Pawlicki has left Leszno and joined Gorzow. That photo's a bit of a blast from the past isn't it? lol http://sportowefakty.wp.pl/zuzel/564536/oficjalnie-przemyslaw-pawlicki-w-stali-gorzow Don't be surprised if Baby PP heads over to Gorzow...nothing certain like, but PP1 & PP2 were always marketed as a package in the past, so where one goes the other may well follow. Now, PP2 + BZ wouldn't be a bad reserve pairing would they? Edited December 5, 2015 by uk martin Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HenryW 1,178 Posted December 5, 2015 That photo's a bit of a blast from the past isn't it? lol http://sportowefakty.wp.pl/zuzel/564536/oficjalnie-przemyslaw-pawlicki-w-stali-gorzow Don't be surprised if Baby PP heads over to Gorzow...nothing certain like, but PP1 & PP2 were always marketed as a package in the past, so where one goes the other may well follow. Now, PP2 + BZ wouldn't be a bad reserve pairing would they? Is Piotr Pawlicki not too old for the reserve berth now? I thought he already turned 21 this year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ghostwalker 1,858 Posted December 5, 2015 Is Piotr Pawlicki not too old for the reserve berth now? I thought he already turned 21 this year. That is correct. Next year Piotr Pawlicki will be 22 and Bartosz Zmarzlik will be doing his last season as U21. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
uk_martin 1,606 Posted December 5, 2015 That is correct. Next year Piotr Pawlicki will be 22 and Bartosz Zmarzlik will be doing his last season as U21. Fair enough, I stand corrected then...I wonder then who Stal will keep as a "squad rider"? Gapinski again? Or will they go without? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
racers and royals 8,719 Posted December 6, 2015 Marek Cieslak is the new coach/manager at Zielona Gora having been with them previously- in 2011 they won the league under his leadership. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PolskiZuzel 329 Posted December 6, 2015 How much can a top flight and middle tier rider expect to earn in Poland ? Anyone know please. Przemyslaw Terminski http://www.fst.torun.pl/en/node/19 owner of the Polish FST insurers broker company, and the owner of KS Torun speedway club, has recently revealed in an interview with the Polish daily sport newspaper „Przeglad Sportowy” his thoughts on financing Polish speedway, and in particular his own club. In his opinion Polish EkstraLiga clubs, in order to keep alive, need to cut wages of their riders by at least 30%. Generally speaking, it would be best if clubs paid for a signature on a contract no more than £25K (or 150K PLN), and for a point around £650 (or 4K PLN). Otherwise, without additional sponsorship clubs would have to seek extra money in fans’ pockets. The ticket would have to cost a hundred PLN . Currently the average ticket price in Torun is 19 PLN and people already complain that it is too expensive. What would they say if it was a hundred PLN? Terminski’s season budget for Torun comes to around £1'500 000.00 . Is this a viable calculation? He thinks so, but it can always be higher of course. Some say that it will be, if his team advances to the play-offs . He denies this idea. In four play-off matches one has to pay riders around £167K (or one million PLN net) because the average pay to riders, per meeting, is 250,000 PLN. As far as the revenue from the final is concerned, it can be estimated at around £100K, or 600 thousand PLN. In short, he doesn't believe that the play-offs bring any extra money. Can Polish EkstraLiga afford riders earning around £ 167K (or one million PLN), and perhaps even more ? The Torun's owner reckons that he can afford to pay riders up to the above mentioned amount. Above that it simply would be a fad. Besides, £167K for the world class rider, is really a super dosh. How much can any rider spend on preparations for the season? Hancock has 50 bikes and why would he need 51or 52. OK, he needs to do some tuning. From time to time he most likely will replace engines, so £25K – 33K (or150-200K PLN) as the annual equipment cost for somebody like him is adequate. What about the cost of keeping his team? Any top rider employs two mechanics. Each of them are paid around € 2,000 a month. For the season it will come to another £33.5K (or 200 thousand PLN). Around £16.5K (or 100,000. PLN) can be added for fares, flights and other expenses. Therefore a grand total comes to around £83.5K, or five hundred thousand PLN. The other half of £167k stays in the rider's pocket. Of course, the top riders in our team are currently getting more. Half a million PLN (in hand) are getting those which you call the 2nd string. But in Mr Terminski’s opinion, there are still those riders who in one season want to earn more than he would in a lifetime. Could the cost of running Polish Ekstraliga club be reduced if the transfer period would last – say – only two weeks? Mr Terlinski does not think so. What is needed in his opinion, is to be firm and neutral, and above else not paying more than one has to. By his own admission, he does what he preaches. Besides, he says - people need to be aware that speedway cannot afford certain things . It is a sport supported by the proverbial barbers, shopkeepers and small businesses like his own. This is not basketball, where the Nike company is able to pay a player $ one million for the fact that he plays in their shoes. In Polish speedway - he said - we have a really great television deal, but ultimately how does 8.5 million PLN compare with 140 million that our football gets.? Please do have a look at Dubai, where the FormulaOne gets 150 million euros. But that sport is watched live by 300,000 and by a half billion on television. Speedway does not have that kind of money , so we must keep our outgoings down - he said. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
racers and royals 8,719 Posted December 7, 2015 Prem Pawlicki has left Leszno and joined Gorzow. Brother Piotr has also left Leszno to join an unknown club. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
f-s-p 832 Posted December 7, 2015 "Hancock has 50 bikes" Thats surely tongue in cheek... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SCB 0 Posted December 7, 2015 "Hancock has 50 bikes" Thats surely tongue in cheek... I read it as an exaggeration, but his point being Hancock already has a load of bikes so it's not like he has to go out and buy all new bikes in March for the new season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
f-s-p 832 Posted December 7, 2015 I read it as an exaggeration, but his point being Hancock already has a load of bikes so it's not like he has to go out and buy all new bikes in March for the new season. Yes... On the other hand, does any top rider too that at the moment? All new gear when the season starts in March? Meaning dozen or so engines and 5-8 rolling chassis's... I doubt it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PHILIPRISING 7,298 Posted December 7, 2015 ONE SGP rider last season had 14 complete bikes Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
