teaboy279 1,038 Posted November 26, 2015 That's fair shout, so looks like I am in the minority. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brummiestormer 172 Posted November 26, 2015 I'm sure Eastbourne would have won the title if the play off system---and with us losing out to Poole after finishing top of the EL losing that way would have been a little hard to take so i'm dead against play offs---even if Eastbourne finish top next season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hunters 210 Posted November 27, 2015 I'm sure Eastbourne would have won the title if the play off system---and with us losing out to Poole after finishing top of the EL losing that way would have been a little hard to take so i'm dead against play offs---even if Eastbourne finish top next season.Most Eastbourne fans would agree with you. We would not have wanted to win the league that way. Bitter memories of the first Elite League Play Off in 2002 when after topping the league by 4 points, an injury before the final to (I believe) No 1 Mark Loram saw a raw 16 year old (Eddie Kennett) make his debut. No guest allowed then. The result inevitably a 6 point aggregate win and forever bragging rights to Wolverhampton. I have always been strongly against play off's for league winners, can you imagine the reaction if the Premier Football league suggested it. Just another reason why speedway does not get taken seriously in some quarters. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
blueherb777 571 Posted November 27, 2015 Most Eastbourne fans would agree with you. We would not have wanted to win the league that way. Bitter memories of the first Elite League Play Off in 2002 when after topping the league by 4 points, an injury before the final to (I believe) No 1 Mark Loram saw a raw 16 year old (Eddie Kennett) make his debut. No guest allowed then. The result inevitably a 6 point aggregate win and forever bragging rights to Wolverhampton. I have always been strongly against play off's for league winners, can you imagine the reaction if the Premier Football league suggested it. Just another reason why speedway does not get taken seriously in some quarters. Agree with all you say. The riding factor behind the play-offs in the Elite League is TV. They want to be there when the League is won. There is no doubt the play-off Final attracts big crowds but that is because the rest of the season crowds are poor. NL have got it right as far as I am concerned. Could they now vote to get RID of the stupid Double points crap and bring back T/S. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sussex bulldog 41 Posted November 27, 2015 Could they now vote to get RID of the stupid Double points crap and bring back T/S. Now I do agree with that and NO playoffs ! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Alex2000 266 Posted November 27, 2015 What's tactical sub? Surely if it means bring in a better rider in a race that is full of lesser riders that's unfair advantage Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Islander15 1,065 Posted November 27, 2015 (edited) What's tactical sub? Surely if it means bring in a better rider in a race that is full of lesser riders that's unfair advantage You're spot on Alex and its a bad idea in the NL especially as you'd be taking rides away from the weaker/younger riders who need as much track time as possible rather than putting a heat leader in a race that he can win easily. Edited November 27, 2015 by Islander15 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Alex2000 266 Posted November 27, 2015 You're spot on Alex and its a bad idea in the NL especially as you'd 2 taking rides away from the weaker/younger riders who need as much track time as possible rather than putting a heat leader in a race that he can win easily. Thats next level of ridiculous for a rule. might as well just write 3 points on their score and let the younger rider take the ride. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
guitar_art 247 Posted November 27, 2015 For me something does need to be done about the tactical rule. (whether or not it be the black and white or the old t/s). Time and again I hear that the purpose of the tactical is to make matches closer. (You can just hear everyone inserting the word 'artificially' between the words matches and closer.) This is plainly ridiculous and makes a mockery of all the other rules we have in place such as averages. But I do believe speedway needs a tactical element. After all most other sports do so. It provides talking points on the terraces. Incidentally the old T/S rule provides more opportunity for terrace managers than the double points although I take the point of those that say it would not help with rider development. I have said it before and I will keep on saying it. The tactical rule (whichever rule you use) should have as its aim a very simple very reasonable target. Its stated aim should be NOT to make matches closer. Its stated aim should be to combat home track advantage.(Sorry Eastbourne lol.) As such the facility should only be available to the away side. This is entirely reasonable in my book. For what it is worth. I think the national league got it right this year. The winner of the league is the winner of the league. As for the gold cup. Some have said that such a competition would not be supported. I did not see that. It seemed to be very well supported from where I was standing. First Cradley (unsuccessfully) and the Eastie (successfully) wanted to topple the league leaders and all of the matches I saw were well supported. My guess is that at the AGM (On my sons Birthday.) Eastbourne will arrive with the proposal to re-instate the play offs. The others, if they have any sense, will say 'on yer bike. I do wonder, with BT entering the speedway fray if we may see a change in things come the next time the sky contract is due. If we have two providers courting us then speedway would be in a better position to dictate how things happen. I live in hope. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gee jay 234 Posted November 28, 2015 Thats next level of ridiculous for a rule. might as well just write 3 points on their score and let the younger rider take the ride. it used to happen in the 'good old days' alex, but the many advocates of bringing the rule back seem not to take into account that many young riders along with their mums & dads are not going to be willing to drive the length and breath of england for 2 races every meeting. if people want rid of the double points ride then by all means get rid of it so the scores are the scores and thats an end to it. they shouldn't replace it with an equally ridiculous rule that will also lead to riders getting p*****ed off and leaving the sport. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike.Butler 601 Posted November 29, 2015 all that leaves then is handicapping. if a team is behind they can nominate one of the oppo to start 15m back. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Alex2000 266 Posted November 29, 2015 it used to happen in the 'good old days' alex, but the many advocates of bringing the rule back seem not to take into account that many young riders along with their mums & dads are not going to be willing to drive the length and breath of england for 2 races every meeting. if people want rid of the double points ride then by all means get rid of it so the scores are the scores and thats an end to it. they shouldn't replace it with an equally ridiculous rule that will also lead to riders getting p*****ed off and leaving the sport. I'm for not having any type of tac sub. If it's used it doesn't show a true score line and makes the team look better than they actually were. With the handicap they are always going to choose someone who can't come from the back again making the result bias and again doesn't show the true performance of the losing team Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
waco 1,026 Posted November 30, 2015 What about choice of gates when a team is say 10 points behind until that is reduced below ten,,just a suggestion? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
catinthehat 115 Posted November 30, 2015 (edited) I cant see Eastbourne wanting to change anything, Just go along with the flow of things and work like the new unit of people that run the club, If all the other teams are going to do it then i am sure Eastbourne will be happy to fall inline. I cant see anything special to come out this AGM. Possible they might try to stop the Spillers trying to race in England but i think both of them holding UK passports and also racing in the Youth championship in 2013 would be a silly mistake. What else can you change to a league that is one of the best of the 3 for Entertainment and value. Seems it didnt take that long to forget EL at Eastbourne. Edited December 1, 2015 by catinthehat 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sings4Speedway 3,247 Posted November 30, 2015 For me the only changes I would like to see are; Limit the amount of times a team is allowed to use R/R. i.e twice home and twice away. Then the rest of the time the number 8's have to be used. Treat the number 8's like an actual reserve so that they can take any of the rides a reserve would take not just the R/R rides. If teams are required to have a number 8 they might as well be pushed towards using them otherwise its a pointless role. Other than that the current rules look alright to me. Not sure how many occasions the tactical rides have actually effected the overall result of a match this season? Fingers crossed for a 12 team league, 38 point limit would do for me and the pointless National Trophy to be dropped. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
