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15 minutes ago, iris123 said:

Not saying it is the cause, but have you missed this ?

You need permission to live in the UK if you're from a country in the EU, European Economic Area (EEA) or Switzerland. The deadline for most people to apply for pre-settled or settled status through the EU Settlement Scheme was 30 June 2021

I did know about that but that is still not the cause of the current problem. I doubt many HGV drivers have left the country in the last 23 days due to them not having there status sorted.

However, I would agree that it may stop quite a few coming over to the UK to help with the shortage of drivers in the future.

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3 minutes ago, Tim G said:

I did know about that but that is still not the cause of the current problem. I doubt many HGV drivers have left the country in the last 23 days due to them not having there status sorted.

However, I would agree that it may stop quite a few coming over to the UK to help with the shortage of drivers.

That is the trouble, neither you nor I know for sure what an effect it has had. It is something I have been waiting for to come in the news. Not just the UK but in some EU countries. I saw a lot about the deadline coming, but there has been nothing afterwards. Possibly because it is too soon to actually have any stats released 

But, and it is a but, it could explain why there was no problem until the last few weeks, which was your question

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25 minutes ago, arnieg said:

You are completely wrong. Shortages on last week's scale were not noticeable in February March April May or June. ALL months after Britain had left the UK. 

 

Your comment exactly the sort of monomamiacal zeal that devalues the many legitimate points you make about the negative consequences of brexit

 

 

Disagree. Supermarket staff themselves are saying it’s a brexit issue. No drivers due to many refusing to come to the U.K. due to the hassle. Massive shortage of drivers due to brexit, compounded due to covid. It’s a brexit issue. No brexit, no shortages. Simple as that. Brexit just never stops giving…..in a negative way. 

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19 minutes ago, iris123 said:

That is the trouble, neither you nor I know for sure what an effect it has had. It is something I have been waiting for to come in the news. Not just the UK but in some EU countries. I saw a lot about the deadline coming, but there has been nothing afterwards. Possibly because it is too soon to actually have any stats released 

But, and it is a but, it could explain why there was no problem until the last few weeks, which was your question

I think it is a huge but.

If the problem persists of food shortages once the pingdemic is over then you could say it is down to HGV driver shortage.

As I previously stated where I work my shift is 20% down due to isolation rules and if this is across the country it’s a huge problem.

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59 minutes ago, Steve Shovlar said:

Disagree. Supermarket staff themselves are saying it’s a brexit issue.

The supermarket staff also say “Shovlar talks rubbish”. Does that make it true though?

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Brexit was something that never should have happened and most working people know that leaving the EU would have detrimental effects on their life. David Cameron was a buffoon and completely read the situation wrong even with Scotland resulting in constitutional chaos and a nation split down the middle. Brexit will be a running sore that will probably end up splitting the United Kingdom. Most people including me didn't realise what we were voting for.

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3 minutes ago, Pieman72 said:

Brexit was something that never should have happened and most working people know that leaving the EU would have detrimental effects on their life. David Cameron was a buffoon and completely read the situation wrong even with Scotland resulting in constitutional chaos and a nation split down the middle. Brexit will be a running sore that will probably end up splitting the United Kingdom. Most people including me didn't realise what we were voting for.

Possibly. But we’ve left, get over it and move on.

I’d pretty much forgotten about brexit until I came back on this forum. 

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2 hours ago, Steve Shovlar said:

Completely wrong. It’s 100% the reason why we have major shortages in supermarkets. All the drivers have gone back to their Eu countries! 

100% the reason ? It’s not what either the supermarkets say or the Road Haulage Association. Still, I guess you know best .

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14 minutes ago, Pieman72 said:

Brexit was something that never should have happened and most working people know that leaving the EU would have detrimental effects on their life. David Cameron was a buffoon and completely read the situation wrong even with Scotland resulting in constitutional chaos and a nation split down the middle. Brexit will be a running sore that will probably end up splitting the United Kingdom. Most people including me didn't realise what we were voting for.

Cameron had no choice...

Not to have a referendum meant UKIP would continue to destroy the Tory vote at the next, at least two, GE's...

Where he miscalculated was thinking that the Labour heartlands would never dream of aligning themselves with the likes of Farage...

Amazing wasn't it how many quickly went from "salt of the earth, hard working, working class socialists" to become, almost overnight,  "bigoted, gammon racists"...?? :rolleyes:

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Blue jam seems to hang around Supermarkets checking things. We could ask him to ask them. But he is probably standing outside with a collection tin for Tommeh’s fund to pay the young Syrian boy :rofl:

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1 hour ago, iris123 said:

Typical. Having said that, this just popped up on my timeline. From reading that it seems around 500,000 haven’t made the deadline 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jul/23/thousand-aged-over-65-failed-apply-eu-settled-status-report

The over 65’s are unlikely to be lorry drivers though Iris. I take your point about settled status but a lot of lorry drivers  are likely to have it anyway. My daughter was granted the equivalent status in the Czech Republic last year but had to come home. due Covid in December. but still has to go back out to collect the paperwork in August . It’s unlikely she will work out there again in the near future because of the Covid situation, and the reverse is likely to be the case with European lorry drivers, especially as we are only just coming out of lockdown.

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12 minutes ago, mikebv said:

Amazing wasn't it how many quickly went from "salt of the earth, hard working, working class socialists" to become, almost overnight,  "bigoted, gammon racists"...?? :rolleyes:

One of the best comments on the thread.:t:

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1 minute ago, E I Addio said:

The over 65’s are unlikely to be lorry drivers though Iris. I take your point about settled status but a lot of lorry drivers  are likely to have it anyway. My daughter was granted the equivalent status in the Czech Republic last year but had to come home. due Covid in December. but still has to go back out to collect the paperwork in August . It’s unlikely she will work out there again in the near future because of the Covid situation, and the reverse is likely to be the case with European lorry drivers, especially as we are only just coming out of lockdown.

Yes, but there is nothing certain there, other than about 500,000 haven’t applied. The rest is guess work as to what has happened to them and just they think 2% over 65 can’t be the correct amount

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8 hours ago, E I Addio said:

The RHA letter to the PM lists many other reasons, including many foreign drivers returning home due to Covid and lock downs. It also lists other problems such as Test Centres being closed due to Covid which prevents new drivers qualifying and filling the vacancies.

Arnieg is right about Track and Trace being responsible for food shortages.;-

 Food shortages and store closures looming as NHS app causes "crippling" staff shortages - Latest Retail Technology News From Across The Globe - Charged (chargedretail.co.uk)

As someone who works in the Supermarket business, Track and Trace is the biggest impact by far...

Hence my CEO is pecking Boris' head daily...

As for the empty shelves which the Mail showed the other day (which can only encourage panic buying to deliver more empty shelves :rolleyes:).

The  vast majority were clearly down to fridge and freezer breakdowns which increase several hundred fold in the hot weather due to the supermarkets using the least expensive equipment that does the job from a legal perspective..

Theory being that we have so few 'heatwaves' in this country that the 'packs' can run for 20 years and more without any issues and the cost to repair them on the 'odd occasion' is massively less than payimg for 20 years and more for more robust equipment..

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