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2 minutes ago, E I Addio said:

As I have previously pointed out, sticking a :D on the end of a post doesn’t turn a dumb post into a sensible one. All it does is give away the fact that it is not a serious post but an indication that it is the start of one of your long-winded, hair-splitting ,time consuming , interminable arguments for the sake of argument with no intention on your part to resolve anything. A number of places I could mention, in Boroughs Of East and West London , East Anglia and the Midlands, and that’s without reports in the North , but we all know where you want to go with this so tough, I’m not taking the bait. I’ll throw you a few bananas when I’m ready.

Funny, because you're normally happy to throw the bananas to see what sort of reactions you get from the monkeys. :rolleyes:

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6 minutes ago, Humphrey Appleby said:

Funny, because you're normally happy to throw the bananas to see what sort of reactions you get from the monkeys. :rolleyes:

Well of course. Throwing bananas is fun with the humour by- pass monkeys. Just because I do it, it doesn’t mean I have fall for coming the other way.

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37 minutes ago, E I Addio said:

As I have previously pointed out, sticking a :D on the end of a post doesn’t turn a dumb post into a sensible one. All it does is give away the fact that it is not a serious post but an indication that it is the start of one of your long-winded, hair-splitting ,time consuming , interminable arguments for the sake of argument with no intention on your part to resolve anything. A number of places I could mention, in Boroughs Of East and West London , East Anglia and the Midlands, and that’s without reports in the North , but we all know where you want to go with this so tough, I’m not taking the bait. I’ll throw you a few bananas when I’m ready.

That sounds very much like you're describing yourself . ;)

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2 hours ago, jrs said:

That sounds very much like you're describing yourself . ;)

Yes it probably does when the mood takes me, and I’m in a knockabout mood , except that all my posts are sensible ones.

Never mind, persevere and one day you too might aspire to something sensible, then you needn’t worry about what I’m posting

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15 minutes ago, E I Addio said:

Yes it probably does when the mood takes me, and I’m in a knockabout mood , except that all my posts are sensible ones.

Never mind, persevere and one day you too might aspire to something sensible, then you needn’t worry about what I’m posting

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HaHa!!!!! :rofl::rofl::rofl:

Nice one. :t:

I see that some things never change. :t::rofl:

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10 hours ago, E I Addio said:

According to the RHA 30,000 HGV tests were cancelled last year due to Covid, which means no new drivers are coming through to replace the older ones who have retired. That accounts for half the shortfall the RHA say. In addition many have been furloughed , and tax changes have made it uneconomic for many to continue.

Indeed that is all true but despite my lifetime in the industry and being involved on a daily basis there is always the font of all knowledge knows better despite repeatedly demonstrating a complete lack of experience and understanding of road haulage.

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3 hours ago, Vince said:

Indeed that is all true but despite my lifetime in the industry and being involved on a daily basis there is always the font of all knowledge knows better despite repeatedly demonstrating a complete lack of experience and understanding of road haulage.

There are also those who demonstrate a complete lack of understanding of how customs controls would work after Brexit, or prefer to overlook the fact that there would much less of a shortage of drivers if Brexit hadn't happened. The fact remains that whilst other EU countries also have driver shortages, they're nothing like what they are in the UK.

And whilst Shovvy was mocked about empty shelves, they're certainly appearing now.

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1 hour ago, Humphrey Appleby said:

There are also those who demonstrate a complete lack of understanding of how customs controls would work after Brexit, or prefer to overlook the fact that there would much less of a shortage of drivers if Brexit hadn't happened. The fact remains that whilst other EU countries also have driver shortages, they're nothing like what they are in the UK.

And whilst Shovvy was mocked about empty shelves, they're certainly appearing now.

...I know someone who works on the front line of customs control and never mind Brexit but it wasn't working prior to Brexit despite false assurances from successive Home Secretaries!

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20 minutes ago, steve roberts said:

...I know someone who works on the front line of customs control and never mind Brexit but it wasn't working prior to Brexit despite false assurances from successive Home Secretaries!

You are joking - right?!!!

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23 minutes ago, steve roberts said:

...I know someone who works on the front line of customs control and never mind Brexit but it wasn't working prior to Brexit despite false assurances from successive Home Secretaries!

Before Brexit though, you could just take goods between EU countries without complications. This is particularly important when it's by far your biggest trading partner, and where much of your fresh and perishable products are being exported to/from there.

Now there are complex declarations and certifications needed, certain products may no longer be exported, and in some cases (despite government claims to the contrary) tariffs are applicable. All this is adding huge costs that are weighing most heavily on smaller businesses that don't have the staff or volume to deal with it. 

This is brought about entirely because the UK unnecessary insisted on diverging from EU standards and establishing its own custom regime, and ironically has hit the very industries that voted for Brexit the hardest. Sometimes you've just got to sit back and say that you've made your own bed... :rolleyes:

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21 minutes ago, TesarRacing said:

You are joking - right?!!!

Controlling movement of people and/or goods and/or contraband at one of our national airports was being seriously jeopodised thru' lack of staff due to cut backs and morale for many years despite Governement rhetoric and the situation hasn't improved despite Patel's assurances.

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4 minutes ago, steve roberts said:

Not in the slightest. Controlling movement of people and/or goods and/or contraband at one of our national airports was being seriously jeopodised thru' lack of staff for many years despite Governement rhetoric and the situation hasn't improved despite Patel's assurances.

There are often no custom officials to be seen at the major airports, but that's not really the major issue as there's only a limited amount of goods that can be carried by hand, and it'll be mostly tobacco and drugs smuggling. The facilitation of bulk traffic is really far more the problem, and the UK has basically had to not implement a lot of checks post-Brexit because it just doesn't have the personnel to do it.

With respect to immigration control, I've never seen any incoming passenger at any port not have their passport checked in the past 15 years at least. I don't know what sort of follow-up is done on suspicious passengers, but I think passengers are not walking through immigration unchecked on anything but the most exceptional of circumstances. 

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9 minutes ago, Humphrey Appleby said:

There are often no custom officials to be seen at the major airports, but that's not really the major issue as there's only a limited amount of goods that can be carried by hand, and it'll be mostly tobacco and drugs smuggling. The facilitation of bulk traffic is really far more the problem, and the UK has basically had to not implement a lot of checks post-Brexit because it just doesn't have the personnel to do it.

With respect to immigration control, I've never seen any incoming passenger at any port not have their passport checked in the past 15 years at least. I don't know what sort of follow-up is done on suspicious passengers, but I think passengers are not walking through immigration unchecked on anything but the most exceptional of circumstances. 

...I'm told that night arrivals were often passing thru' unchecked as there was a shortage of staff availability. I re-iterate this is from someone who I know who works on Border Control who can't divulge too much information due to having signed the Official Secrets Act.

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6 minutes ago, steve roberts said:

Not in the slightest according to my source.  Controlling movement of people and/or goods and/or contraband at one of our national airports was being seriously jeopodised thru' lack of staff due to cut backs and morale for many years despite Governement rhetoric and the situation hasn't improved despite Patel's assurances.

My business before it collapsed was an import/export company specialising in distribution of cut flowers and fruit trading for nearly 40 years. Before Brexit we could import from Holland, France, Italy etc and also export from UK growers to all over Europe totally frictionless and as easy as supplying the florist just down the road! So I have no idea where you get the notion that the movement of goods prior to Brexit 'being seriously jeopardised' as that was not my experience, in fact if anything with the advent of technology and improved on-line banking it has been even easier over the last 10 years.

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7 minutes ago, TesarRacing said:

My business before it collapsed was an import/export company specialising in distribution of cut flowers and fruit trading for nearly 40 years. Before Brexit we could import from Holland, France, Italy etc and also export from UK growers to all over Europe totally frictionless and as easy as supplying the florist just down the road! So I have no idea where you get the notion that the movement of goods prior to Brexit 'being seriously jeopardised' as that was not my experience, in fact if anything with the advent of technology and improved on-line banking it has been even easier over the last 10 years.

...I was really highlighting rather clumsily the movement of people thru' Border Control and undeclared goods.

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