Pinny 2,536 Posted December 26, 2015 (edited) In the pl over the last 20 years, weve seen many dirty riders as well as some hard but fair. In the early 00s, we had a batch of riders who would go to another extreme to pass or defend their lead. Paul pickering, phil morris, andre compton, sean wilson. They strike me as the four stand out dirty riders. Nothing against them, all entertainers, but some of their moves were borderline disgraceful. Sure there are plenty more to add to the list over the past 20 years, el and pl! Also whilst on subject, whats the dirtiest move youve seen in a race. I honestly cant pinpoint one, i remember smart and danny bird being horrendous in 03ish but that was more smart just over riding and being careless - nothing intentional. This has the potential to be a very interesting thread - please no cretins like starman come on here and ruin it. Edited December 26, 2015 by Pinny Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
foamfence 2,917 Posted December 26, 2015 How can you decide what is dirty, it's accepted practice to close gaps and it's accepted that some will make the effort to squeeze through or widen a gap to go through? If that action is the result of a rider declaring or thinking that "Joe Bloggs is in this race and I'm going to try and knock him off" then it's dirty but mostly it's just trying too hard or being prepared to take a few risks, without premeditation. Actually, with some of the threads being dreamed up recently, it would seem that too many people are short of something to do. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sommelier 1,118 Posted December 26, 2015 How can you decide what is dirty, it's accepted practice to close gaps and it's accepted that some will make the effort to squeeze through or widen a gap to go through? If that action is the result of a rider declaring or thinking that "Joe Bloggs is in this race and I'm going to try and knock him off" then it's dirty but mostly it's just trying too hard or being prepared to take a few risks, without premeditation. Actually, with some of the threads being dreamed up recently, it would seem that too many people are short of something to do. Agree foamfence, how can you separate from dirty to hard riding. I can honestly say all the years ive been watching speedway i cant say ive witnessed a rider who has blatant knocked another rider off Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
screm 8,053 Posted December 26, 2015 In the pl over the last 20 years, weve seen many dirty riders as well as some hard but fair. In the early 00s, we had a batch of riders who would go to another extreme to pass or defend their lead. Paul pickering, phil morris, andre compton, sean wilson. They strike me as the four stand out dirty riders. Nothing against them, all entertainers, but some of their moves were borderline disgraceful. Sure there are plenty more to add to the list over the past 20 years, el and pl! Also whilst on subject, whats the dirtiest move youve seen in a race. I honestly cant pinpoint one, i remember smart and danny bird being horrendous in 03ish but that was more smart just over riding and being careless - nothing intentional. This has the potential to be a very interesting thread - please no cretins like starman come on here and ruin it. Christmas Day must've been a blinder round your house. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
highside 118 Posted December 26, 2015 In the pl over the last 20 years, weve seen many dirty riders as well as some hard but fair. In the early 00s, we had a batch of riders who would go to another extreme to pass or defend their lead. Paul pickering, phil morris, andre compton, sean wilson. They strike me as the four stand out dirty riders. Nothing against them, all entertainers, but some of their moves were borderline disgraceful. Sure there are plenty more to add to the list over the past 20 years, el and pl! Also whilst on subject, whats the dirtiest move youve seen in a race. I honestly cant pinpoint one, i remember smart and danny bird being horrendous in 03ish but that was more smart just over riding and being careless - nothing intentional. This has the potential to be a very interesting thread - please no cretins like starman come on here and ruin it. I wouldnt say the four riders above were dirty hard yes dirty no. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Grachan 7,360 Posted December 26, 2015 Agree foamfence, how can you separate from dirty to hard riding. I can honestly say all the years ive been watching speedway i cant say ive witnessed a rider who has blatant knocked another rider off I never witnessed it, but Chris Morton has admitted to deliberately knocking off Alan Grahame in an accident in which Grahame broke his leg. I'm sure he can't be the only rider to do it. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iris123 20,969 Posted December 26, 2015 (edited) As much as he was brilliant to watch at his best,Gollob did make some diabolical moves across the track to block people Think a guy called Ivor Brown was notorious back in the day and if I am right he was the only rider to make Ivan Mauger lose his cool and deliberately go out to get someone Edited December 26, 2015 by iris123 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pinny 2,536 Posted December 26, 2015 (edited) Christmas Day must've been a blinder round your house. it was - however boxing day, which was when this post was written, wasnt as good as ive been sat on a coach most of the day travelling down to adelaide! Edited December 26, 2015 by Pinny 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sommelier 1,118 Posted December 26, 2015 As much as he was brilliant to watch at his best,Gollob did make some diabolical moves across the track to block people Think a guy called Ivor Brown was notorious back in the day and if I am right he was the only rider to make Ivan Mauger lose his cool and deliberately go out to get someone Yep, spot on Iris, Ivor Brown hard as nails in his Cradley Heath days I never witnessed it, but Chris Morton has admitted to deliberately knocking off Alan Grahame in an accident in which Grahame broke his leg. I'm sure he can't be the only rider to do it. Would never have put Mort down to be like that, but there you go, every days a school day Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Third Man 2,214 Posted December 26, 2015 Vissing against Paul Cooper at Sheffield, the only rider I can say deliberately knocked another rider off Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dekker 239 Posted December 26, 2015 Paul Hurry, The lad Goodwin from Arena, Steve Gresham, Roman Matousek, Ulrich Ostergaard are just a few that come into the hard/dirty category. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tyretrax 2,253 Posted December 26, 2015 Matousek on Robert Nagy and Phil Morris on David McAllan both life threatening injuries. To this day David struggles to get through. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iris123 20,969 Posted December 26, 2015 Can't remember who it was that ended Jan Steachmann's career,but I don't think Jan was too happy about the incident Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shale Searcher 1,264 Posted December 26, 2015 (edited) Can't remember who it was that ended Jan Steachmann's career,but I don't think Jan was too happy about the incident Yea, a few grey cells have retired since that incident, who's gonna jog our memories on this one....? Edited December 26, 2015 by Shale Searcher Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steve roberts 9,242 Posted December 26, 2015 Yea, a few grey cells have retired since that incident, who's gonna jog our memories on this one....? I apologise if I got the wrong name but was it Sean Wilson? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
