Humphrey Appleby 13,943 Posted April 8, 2016 For a rider with a Swedish license, the participation in foreign league or meetings shall not interfere with the rider's participation in the Swedish league system or other championship meetings (which includes qualifiers to those). THJ did it a couple of years ago, he had agreed to a nomination to ride in the SGP qualifiers but then decided that it would mean that he would miss the Polish league meeting the next day so he decided to skip the qualifier which earned him a ban. You can read the rule (1.4) in it entity at: I don't doubt there's a rule. I simply don't believe it would stand up to any legal scrutiny if a rider decided to challenge it. Riders have to have a licence to work, issued by a monopoly authority. Yet that licence dictates who they have to work for and when - hmmm.... As I said, different if a rider has accepted to ride in a meeting and withdraws. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iris123 20,939 Posted April 8, 2016 Now it is just down to Esbjerg to change or I guess put some new date on the existing posters they have around town and do a new ad for the radio etc,but they seem to be seeing the funny side of things.......... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Triple.H. 1,982 Posted April 8, 2016 I don't doubt there's a rule. I simply don't believe it would stand up to any legal scrutiny if a rider decided to challenge it. Riders have to have a licence to work, issued by a monopoly authority. Yet that licence dictates who they have to work for and when - hmmm.... As I said, different if a rider has accepted to ride in a meeting and withdraws. But surely if it's stipulated on applying for a licence that a condition of the licence being issued is that you take part in the national championship. Illness/injury permitting though if they are your reasons for missing you get a 7 meeting ban as opposed to a week. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ghostwalker 1,858 Posted April 8, 2016 But surely if it's stipulated on applying for a licence that a condition of the licence being issued is that you take part in the national championship. Illness/injury permitting though if they are your reasons for missing you get a 7 meeting ban as opposed to a week. I don't think any license requires you to actually enter the national championship. In last season, Magnus Zetterström entered but pulled out of the Swedish championship qualifier without any consequences since it's not mandatory to participate but had pulled out to go ride a league meeting in Britain or Poland or Denmark, he would have been faced with a suspension since he would have violated the permission to ride abroad. So riders are allowed to decline to participate as long as they don't ride somewhere else instead. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
f-s-p 832 Posted April 8, 2016 I don't think any license requires you to actually enter the national championship. In last season, Magnus Zetterström entered but pulled out of the Swedish championship qualifier without any consequences since it's not mandatory to participate but had pulled out to go ride a league meeting in Britain or Poland or Denmark, he would have been faced with a suspension since he would have violated the permission to ride abroad. So riders are allowed to decline to participate as long as they don't ride somewhere else instead. Have you seen the contract that Svemo makes with their riders or are you assuming? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ghostwalker 1,858 Posted April 8, 2016 (edited) Have you seen the contract that Svemo makes with their riders or are you assuming? It's not an assumption, it based on the information in the rule book(s), which say that a rider that have entered national qualification meeting are obligated to show up but it does not say that it is mandatory to enter (rule 1.3). For SM the rules (10.12.*) specify how to enter but again no mention of that it is mandatory to ride. As for riding abroad the conditions for obtaining a starting permit from Svemo is specified in rule 1.4 where it says that riding abroad (league or open meetings) is not allowed to affect the rider's participation in the Swedish league system, national or international championships (including the qualifiers for that) However as I wrote earlier, Zorro entered the qualification to the 2015 Individual Swedish championship, but then decided to pull out citing "personal reasons", see this link, and Zorro did not receive any kind of fines or suspension for that. Rule books: http://multi.mediapaper.nu/Pdf/?PubId=495F29390A5F1AA87112A4F533E2737C http://www.svemo.se/ImageVaultFiles/id_10492/cf_44/NT_tom_maj2016.PDF http://www.rf.se/ImageVaultFiles/id_68650/cf_394/RFs_stadgar_2015.PDF Edited April 8, 2016 by Ghostwalker Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
June01 268 Posted April 8, 2016 (edited) Anders Secher wants back in his role as coach, and almost everything is rosy in the Danish speedway world once more. Edited April 8, 2016 by June01 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
f-s-p 832 Posted April 9, 2016 It's not an assumption, it based on the information in the rule book(s), which say that a rider that have entered national qualification meeting are obligated to show up but it does not say that it is mandatory to enter (rule 1.3). For SM the rules (10.12.*) specify how to enter but again no mention of that it is mandatory to ride. As for riding abroad the conditions for obtaining a starting permit from Svemo is specified in rule 1.4 where it says that riding abroad (league or open meetings) is not allowed to affect the rider's participation in the Swedish league system, national or international championships (including the qualifiers for that) However as I wrote earlier, Zorro entered the qualification to the 2015 Individual Swedish championship, but then decided to pull out citing "personal reasons", see this link, and Zorro did not receive any kind of fines or suspension for that. Rule books: http://multi.mediapaper.nu/Pdf/?PubId=495F29390A5F1AA87112A4F533E2737C http://www.svemo.se/ImageVaultFiles/id_10492/cf_44/NT_tom_maj2016.PDF http://www.rf.se/ImageVaultFiles/id_68650/cf_394/RFs_stadgar_2015.PDF I asked because I was reading yesterday the SML contract that they do with their riders. It's not in any rulebook. Anders Secher wants back in his role as coach, and almost everything is rosy in the Danish speedway world once more. So just like Nicki said, short storm to keep everyone awake and then we're good to go again... = ) 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Humphrey Appleby 13,943 Posted April 9, 2016 (edited) But surely if it's stipulated on applying for a licence that a condition of the licence being issued is that you take part in the national championship. Don't see how a private monopoly authority can make demands like that of professional riders, regardless of what they might put in their terms and conditions for a licence. There might be rules saying that, but I doubt they're legally enforceable. Edited April 9, 2016 by Humphrey Appleby Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ghostwalker 1,858 Posted April 11, 2016 (edited) I asked because I was reading yesterday the SML contract that they do with their riders. It's not in any rulebook. Ok. No I have not seen an actual license/contract, only what the (official) rules say and "historic cases" like with Zorro last season. I also have a weak memory that Andreas Jonsson skipped the SM-final one year towards the end of the last decade but I am not sure. Edited April 11, 2016 by Ghostwalker Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ghostwalker 1,858 Posted April 14, 2016 Anyway here is the official line-up: https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=525325420973551 -Heat 1:1: Mads Korneliussen2: Bjarne Pedersen3: Leon D Madsen4: Rene Bach-Heat 2:5: Anders Thomsen6: Patrick Hougaard7: Mikkel Michelsen8: Hans Andersen-Heat 3:9: Mikkel Bech Jensen10: Kenni Arendt Larsen11: Peter Kildemand12: Lasse Bjerre-Heat 4:13: Nicolai Klindt14: Kenneth Bjerre15: Nikolaj Busk Jakobsen16: Michael Jepsen Jensen-Reserver:17: Ulrich Østergaard18: Claus Vissing There are five available places to ride for and one wild card. My prediction: Kildemand Madsen Andersen MJJ Larsen Wild card to Mikkel Michelsen or Mikkel Bech (didn't he drop the Jensen part of his last name?). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
racers and royals 8,718 Posted April 14, 2016 The Gorzow match tomorrow which caused all the controversy has been postponed !!!!!! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ghostwalker 1,858 Posted April 19, 2016 (edited) It will start in 20 minutes. The only liver coverage I know about is this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yeCDPyyRTOA but it might not be live all the time. It is provided by these: https://www.facebook.com/groups/osderelskerspeedway Esbjerg ms will update the results on their facebook: https://www.facebook.com/EsbjergMotorsport/ heat 1. Madsen falls on his own on lap 1 and is excluded. Results heat 1: Korneliussen, B. Pedersen. Bach. Nasty crash in heat 3 lap 2. Ht 2 results: Anders T, 3 Mikkel M, 2 Hans A, 1 Patrick H, 0. Heat 3 crash: Kenni caused Lasse Bjerre to fall and Lasse was hit by Kildemand. Kenni excluded. Kildemand wins heat 3, Lasse Bjerre is 3rd. Not sure about who was second., Mikkel Bech was second. Overtook Bjerre on lap 3. Heat 4 results, Klindt, MJJ, K. Bjerre. Nicolai Busk, Heat 5: Bech, Klindt, Thomesen, Koreneliussen. heat 6 restarts. Hougaard cashed a 3-rider crash and is excluded. All riders up and walking though. Live results available at espeedway: http://live.espeedway.pl/race_detail.php?id=5013 ht 6: B. Pedersen, K.Bjerre, Kenni. ht 7: Leon Madsen, 3 Peter Kildemand, 2 Mikkel M, 1 Nikolaj Busk, 0. heat 8 good fight for second between MJJ and Hans Andersen. Andersen had the upper hand for two laps but MJJ manage to grab 2nd. Rene Bach, 3 Jepsen Jensen, 2 Hans Andersen, 1 Lasse Bjerre, 0. Lasse Bjerre have pulled out from the rest of the meeting due to his crash in heat 3. https://www.facebook.com/EsbjergMotorsport/posts/527200154119411 Heat 9: Patrick H, 3 Jepsen Jensen, 2 Peter Kildemand, 1 Mads Kor, 0. Heat 10: Bjarne P, 3 Anders Thomsen, 2 Nikolaj Busk, 1. Ulrik Østergaard Heat 11: Kenneth Bjerre, 3 Hans Andersen, 2 Mikkel Bech, 1 Claus Vissing, 0 Heat 12: Klindt, 3 Mikkel M, 2 Bach, 1 Kenni Larsen, 0 attendance 2022. Heat 13: Mikkel M, 3 Kenneth Bjerre, 2 Mads Kor, 1 Ulrik Østergaard, Heat 14: Hans Andersen, 3 Bjarne Pedersen, 2 Peter Kildemand, 1 Klindt, 0. Heat 15: Jepsen Jensen, 3 Leon Madsen, 2 Anders Thomsen, 1 Kenni Larsen, 0. Heat 16: Mikkel Bech, 3 Patrick H, 2 Bach, 1 Nikolaj Busk, 0 Apparently N.Klindt have declined a GP qualification seeding but would accept a seeding for SEC qual. Heat 17: Mads Korneliussen 3, Hans Andersen 2, Kenni Larsen 1, Nikolaj Busk 0. Heat 18: Mikkel Bech 3, Bjarne Pedersen 2, Jepsen Jensen 1, Mikkel Michelsen 0 Heat 19: Leon Madsen 3p, Patrick H 2p, Klindt 1p, Claus Vissing 0p Heat 20: Anders Thomsen, Kenneth Bjerre, Peter Kildemand, Rene Bach, Top 5: Bjarne Mikkel Bech A. Thomesen K. Bjerre MJJ. Wild card will likely goto Kildemand but it depends on if any rider declines a gp and or SEC quali seeding. Edited April 19, 2016 by Ghostwalker 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
f-s-p 832 Posted April 19, 2016 It will start in 20 minutes. The only liver coverage I know about is this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yeCDPyyRTOA but it might not be live all the time. It is provided by these: https://www.facebook.com/groups/osderelskerspeedway Esbjerg ms will update the results on their facebook: https://www.facebook.com/EsbjergMotorsport/ heat 1. Madsen falls on his own on lap 1 and is excluded. Results heat 1: Korneliussen, B. Pedersen. Bach. Nasty crash in heat 3 lap 2. Ht 2 results: Anders T, 3 Mikkel M, 2 Hans A, 1 Patrick H, 0. Heat 3 crash: Kenni caused Lasse Bjerre to fall and Lasse was hit by Kildemand. Kenni excluded. Kildemand wins heat 3, Lasse Bjerre is 3rd. Not sure about who was second., Mikkel Bech was second. Overtook Bjerre on lap 3. Heat 4 results, Klindt, MJJ, K. Bjerre. Nicolai Busk, Heat 5: Bech, Klindt, Thomesen, Koreneliussen. heat 6 restarts. Hougaard cashed a 3-rider crash and is excluded. All riders up and walking though. Live results available at espeedway: http://live.espeedway.pl/race_detail.php?id=5013 ht 6: B. Pedersen, K.Bjerre, Kenni. ht 7: Leon Madsen, 3 Peter Kildemand, 2 Mikkel M, 1 Nikolaj Busk, 0. heat 8 good fight for second between MJJ and Hans Andersen. Andersen had the upper hand for two laps but MJJ manage to grab 2nd. Rene Bach, 3 Jepsen Jensen, 2 Hans Andersen, 1 Lasse Bjerre, 0. Lasse Bjerre have pulled out from the rest of the meeting due to his crash in heat 3. https://www.facebook.com/EsbjergMotorsport/posts/527200154119411 Heat 9: Patrick H, 3 Jepsen Jensen, 2 Peter Kildemand, 1 Mads Kor, 0. Heat 10: Bjarne P, 3 Anders Thomsen, 2 Nikolaj Busk, 1. Ulrik Østergaard Heat 11: Kenneth Bjerre, 3 Hans Andersen, 2 Mikkel Bech, 1 Claus Vissing, 0 Heat 12: Klindt, 3 Mikkel M, 2 Bach, 1 Kenni Larsen, 0 attendance 2022. Heat 13: Mikkel M, 3 Kenneth Bjerre, 2 Mads Kor, 1 Ulrik Østergaard, Heat 14: Hans Andersen, 3 Bjarne Pedersen, 2 Peter Kildemand, 1 Klindt, 0. Heat 15: Jepsen Jensen, 3 Leon Madsen, 2 Anders Thomsen, 1 Kenni Larsen, 0. Heat 16: Mikkel Bech, 3 Patrick H, 2 Bach, 1 Nikolaj Busk, 0 Apparently N.Klindt have declined a GP qualification seeding but would accept a seeding for SEC qual. Heat 17: Mads Korneliussen 3, Hans Andersen 2, Kenni Larsen 1, Nikolaj Busk 0. Heat 18: Mikkel Bech 3, Bjarne Pedersen 2, Jepsen Jensen 1, Mikkel Michelsen 0 Heat 19: Leon Madsen 3p, Patrick H 2p, Klindt 1p, Claus Vissing 0p Heat 20: Anders Thomsen, Kenneth Bjerre, Peter Kildemand, Rene Bach, Wasnt it top 5 through with Faller now getting a wild card? So this year he has to be helped starting from step one... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mark 1,497 Posted April 19, 2016 (edited) I don't understand as Thompson and Bjerre got 10pts. How does Andersen get through with 9pts. see you have updated Ghostwalker. thank you Edited April 19, 2016 by marky Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
