racers and royals 8,717 Posted April 5, 2016 If you weren`t watching the Edward Jancarz meeting from Gorzow on Sunday have a look at heat 13 here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uoLbppC6IyQ Dudek is in Blue and Kildemand in Yellow- Who should have been Excluded ?? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gearhead 31 Posted April 5, 2016 Wow,glad they're both ok. Oh and Dudek obviously Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
racers and royals 8,717 Posted April 5, 2016 Wow,glad they're both ok. Oh and Dudek obviously Well he wasn`t !!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reviresco 708 Posted April 5, 2016 Well, it was my opinion at the time, and still is, that Kidemand should have been excluded for causing the stoppage and Dudek excluded from the re-run for not being under power at the time of the stoppage. Still not sure how Dudek took part in the re-run. 8 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BWitcher 12,453 Posted April 5, 2016 (edited) Well, it was my opinion at the time, and still is, that Kidemand should have been excluded for causing the stoppage and Dudek excluded from the re-run for not being under power at the time of the stoppage. Still not sure how Dudek took part in the re-run. How can you possibly come to the conclusion that Kildemand should be excluded? He clearly didn't see Dudek till the last second as he had two riders in his line of vision across the track. You think he deliberately rode into Dudek? Edited April 5, 2016 by BWitcher 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OveFundinFan 4,137 Posted April 5, 2016 Good to see them both up on their feet. Kildemand was "fortunate" he got to the air fence, gave him some protection. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
racers and royals 8,717 Posted April 5, 2016 Good to see them both up on their feet. Kildemand was "fortunate" he got to the air fence, gave him some protection. Dudek carried on in the meeting and won it. Kildemand had to withdraw-He`s having treatment with Leszno and should be fit for the opening Extraleague meeting on Friday. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gavan 5,049 Posted April 5, 2016 Well, it was my opinion at the time, and still is, that Kidemand should have been excluded for causing the stoppage and Dudek excluded from the re-run for not being under power at the time of the stoppage. Still not sure how Dudek took part in the re-run. sorry im all for opinions but how in gods name can you exclude Kildemand???? I admit at times Kildemand can be a bit ruthless and sometimes a tad dangerous but he was blameless here. Dudek breaks down, Kildemand couldnt possibly have seen him and hits him they crash. Dudek has to be excluded. If you believe Kildemand should have been excluded then you think he must of deliberatly rode into him at that speed!!! 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Star Lady 5,400 Posted April 5, 2016 Assuming Polish rules are the same as the UK, technically Kildeman was rightfully excluded. He was the cause of the stoppage, if he hadn't ridden into the back of Dudek the race would have carried on. The fact he didn't see Dudek is immaterial. I'm not saying the decision was morally right but can't fault it technically. Dudek certainly didn't cause the stoppage and did everything correctly as he raised his arm to signify he had a problem, there was no way he could know or prevent Kildemanns view being obscured 13 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Agrotron 955 Posted April 5, 2016 Fk sake its happened get over it can't change nothing. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BWitcher 12,453 Posted April 5, 2016 Fk sake its happened get over it can't change nothing. Discussion forums definitely not the right place for you are they? Assuming Polish rules are the same as the UK, technically Kildeman was rightfully excluded. He was the cause of the stoppage, if he hadn't ridden into the back of Dudek the race would have carried on. The fact he didn't see Dudek is immaterial. I'm not saying the decision was morally right but can't fault it technically. Dudek certainly didn't cause the stoppage and did everything correctly as he raised his arm to signify he had a problem, there was no way he could know or prevent Kildemanns view being obscured I see what you are saying, but that can be argued both ways. If Dudek hadn't been slowing in the middle of the straight he wouldn't have been rode into. By your rules, every time a rider makes a mistake, slows, lifts and someone else behind hits him, the one behind is to be excluded? Technically the decision was wrong as most certainly Dudek DID cause the stoppage.. by stopping 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Agrotron 955 Posted April 5, 2016 People will agree and disagree on who should of got excluded then there will be a argument and get personal and then Poole will be to blame then Matt Ford so there is really little to discuss Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BWitcher 12,453 Posted April 5, 2016 People will agree and disagree on who should of got excluded then there will be a argument and get personal and then Poole will be to blame then Matt Ford so there is really little to discuss That tends to happen after a Poole fans hijacks the thread... your team again? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iris123 20,939 Posted April 5, 2016 Discussion forums definitely not the right place for you are they? I see what you are saying, but that can be argued both ways. If Dudek hadn't been slowing in the middle of the straight he wouldn't have been rode into. By your rules, every time a rider makes a mistake, slows, lifts and someone else behind hits him, the one behind is to be excluded? Technically the decision was wrong as most certainly Dudek DID cause the stoppage.. by stopping Trouble is,and a few people just don't see it,but Dudek at no time stops......he is still moving when Kildemand hits him.As he is still moving he must technically still be in the race.And you just can't plough into a rider in a race and not be at fault for the stoppage.Now if Dudek had tried to move over to get off the track and a following rider hits him,he could then be said to be at fault,but he doesn't,he just carries on riding albeit slowing down.He is still technically in the race and could get going again and carry on,as I am sure we have seen numerous times.Like Star Lady say's Kildemand morally isn't at fault,but technically is 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
orion 7,612 Posted April 5, 2016 A tricky one and one where there is no right or wrong ...you can see it from both sides ,..Dudek does nothing wrong but by the same token Killer quite clearly does not see him slowing down .... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
