waiheke1 4,295 Posted September 16, 2016 As I already stated earlier, the maths do suggest that 8 is not the correct average to bring a GP rider in on, and 7 is actually the more correct figure. What we need is transparency from the BSPA to confirm or deny this. 7.5 would have been reasonable. Also aligns with his Swedish average. 7.5 would not allow him to fit though. Note you argue tai has a false average. Would you say Bjarne s average was any less false? Former gp rider who has been a hl for all but last season, in on a 4. average? Which he has blown out of the water. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
horneymikh 86 Posted September 16, 2016 Personally I think it's a sensible rule, but maybe it will be thrown out or amended next year, after all the rule regarding the wearing of goggles was changed for this year..........could that possibly have had anything to do with circumstances in last years play off's ? Still in 2016 regulations, 12.9 I think... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
waiheke1 4,295 Posted September 16, 2016 I would add that a rider with a current ekstraliga or elitseren average should come in on that. The EL heat format means that for a hl the standards are roughly comparable. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Steve Shovlar 10,439 Posted September 16, 2016 7.5 would have been reasonable. Also aligns with his Swedish average. 7.5 would not allow him to fit though. Note you argue tai has a false average. Would you say Bjarne s average was any less false? Former gp rider who has been a hl for all but last season, in on a 4. average? Which he has blown out of the water. Bjarne has blown it out of the water riding at reserve. He is badly exposed riding in the 1-5. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BurntFaceMan 413 Posted September 16, 2016 7.5 would have been reasonable. Also aligns with his Swedish average. 7.5 would not allow him to fit though. Note you argue tai has a false average. Would you say Bjarne s average was any less false? Former gp rider who has been a hl for all but last season, in on a 4. average? Which he has blown out of the water. I didn't argue Tai had a false average. Tai is fair game in my opinion. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nellie 144 Posted September 16, 2016 7.5 would have been reasonable. Also aligns with his Swedish average. 7.5 would not allow him to fit though. Note you argue tai has a false average. Would you say Bjarne s average was any less false? Former gp rider who has been a hl for all but last season, in on a 4. average? Which he has blown out of the water. Bjarne was signed on 6.55 average, so has increased it by a, not so impressive, 0.35 in four months spent largely at reserve. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
woofers 467 Posted September 16, 2016 Still in 2016 regulations, 12.9 I think... Correct, last year the rule just stated that goggles must be worn. This year the rule has been amended to say that their loss or removal during a race is not an offence. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BurntFaceMan 413 Posted September 16, 2016 (edited) There is no need for all these crazy complicated assessment methods people are suggesting. Just work out the average CMA of the top 8 riders in the previous Elite League season and agree that any GP rider joining the league starts on that average. Edited September 16, 2016 by BurntFaceMan Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Perton Wolf 396 Posted September 16, 2016 Good signing for Poole and it's fair enough if Hans doesn't ride in the upcoming GPs whilst the playoffs are running but if he does then it's a bit of a farce really. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BurntFaceMan 413 Posted September 16, 2016 (edited) To be honest, if the only way we can tempt the big boys to ride in Britain is to sign them just for the play offs, then every team should be allowed to do it! Would make for much more exciting play offs! It's time to stop pretending the EL is among the worlds best... we'd be lucky to have the top riders on our shores, if only for the play offs. Good signing for Poole and it's fair enough if Hans doesn't ride in the upcoming GPs whilst the playoffs are running but if he does then it's a bit of a farce really. Poole only have a 7 day window to make a signing. If Hans is unable to confirm when he will be able to ride again then Poole have no choice but to sign a new rider. A farce it is not. I get why everyone is annoyed. Surprise surprise, the p1ss take Pirates have pulled another fast one. But really when you dig a little deeper... Poole did not want this. We didn't want our captain to get injured. It's not just Poole he isn't riding for, he pulled out of the SEC too. When you do the maths Antonio is actually a good fit. I don't feel any malice towards the Wolves, who arguably got Tai on a bargain average (based on current form). That's just the name of the game. If you don't like it, then the rules need to be changed. Unfortunately there will always be a team that makes a better fist of it than others, and Matt is 100% on the ball when it comes to the loopholes! Edited September 16, 2016 by BurntFaceMan Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
woofers 467 Posted September 16, 2016 Haven't we heard proposals for next year about each team having 2 No 1 riders in a squad system. The way Woffinden and Lindback have been "bought in as required" is surely a fore runner of things to come. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
waiheke1 4,295 Posted September 16, 2016 I didn't argue Tai had a false average. Tai is fair game in my opinion. Yeah sorry got you confused with another poster. My badBjarne was signed on 6.55 average, so has increased it by a, not so impressive, 0.35 in four months spent largely at reserve.I got that wrong too!There is no need for all these crazy complicated assessment methods people are suggesting. Just work out the average CMA of the top 8 riders in the previous Elite League season and agree that any GP rider joining the league starts on that average.Only issue I see with that is that not all gp riders are equal. If say smolinski got a wildcard or qualified,would it make sense that he comes in on the same as Hancock? Using Swedish or polish top flight average is about as simple as you can get. Perhaps allow a 10% reduction for someone riding in an u21 reserve berth in Poland. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BurntFaceMan 413 Posted September 16, 2016 Only issue I see with that is that not all gp riders are equal. If say smolinski got a wildcard or qualified,would it make sense that he comes in on the same as Hancock? Using Swedish or polish top flight average is about as simple as you can get. Perhaps allow a 10% reduction for someone riding in an u21 reserve berth in Poland. Hmm it's a tricky one. The Polish league is so much stronger than the Elite League. It's almost the difference between EL and NL! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
waiheke1 4,295 Posted September 16, 2016 Hmm it's a tricky one. The Polish league is so much stronger than the Elite League. It's almost the difference between EL and NL! But if you look at the difference in averages between riders at hl in the EL and riding in Poland and it's only around 5%. Essentially a 5% incentive to attract quality riders Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KevH 257 Posted September 16, 2016 4, sha'l i count them all ?? I'd be very surprised if you can count that high 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
