Gemini 4,894 Posted September 16, 2016 While I can see Neil Vatcher endorsing the signing of Antonio Lindback on a 7.00 point average to please Poole Speedway, I doubt very much that Arnie would. Which is why he would never have been the top choice. Shame as it's about time we had someone with integrity. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tsunami 10,219 Posted September 16, 2016 (edited) What we have got is someone who is experienced in speedway and it seems is well thought of. But, as Dean rightly says, he is from 'the circle'. I said he was, and that is where you would normally expect to get the replacement from. DEAN says that Neil isn't a bad choice so whats his complain. Just more knocking from DEAN as usual, and I don't have to sit on a high horse to see that. Arnie is a man of integrity and a true speedway fan who is from outside it. To my mind, given the sustained and substantial criticism of BSPA & SCB decisions, he would have made a far more popular and credible choice with those who actually pay every week at the turnstiles and quite possibly might have at least tried to introduce the transparency that the sport needs. While I can see Neil Vatcher endorsing the signing of Antonio Lindback on a 7.00 point average to please Poole Speedway, I doubt very much that Arnie would. The signing of Lindback is within the rules, just like the other signing of Tai for Wolves. Are you suggesting that the SCB should have appointed a guy(from outside the circle) who would have stopped a legal move and exercised his power regardless of the rules. That rather suggests that democracy and law-abiding in Speedway can be ignored by an individual. Surely that suggestion smacks at hypocrisy given the complaints of the BSPA, and rather blows the argument of an independent body or individual to oversee all matters in Speedway. You are really trying to endorse with the new guy what quite a number of posters on here regularly complain about the BSPA/SCB. The only thing is I suspect Arnie wouldn't have lasted 5 minutes whereas Neil Vatcher will. And if he tried to break the rules himself he shouldn't last 5 minutes either. Me too. Edited September 16, 2016 by Tsunami 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Halifaxtiger 5,318 Posted September 16, 2016 What we have got is someone who is experienced in speedway and it seems is well thought of. But, as Dean rightly says, he is from 'the circle'. I said he was, and that is where you would normally expect to get the replacement from. DEAN says that Neil isn't a bad choice so whats his complain. Just more knocking from DEAN as usual, and I don't have to sit on a high horse to see that. Arnie is a man of integrity and a true speedway fan who is from outside it. To my mind, given the sustained and substantial criticism of BSPA & SCB decisions, he would have made a far more popular and credible choice with those who actually pay every week at the turnstiles and quite possibly might have at least tried to introduce the transparency that the sport needs. While I can see Neil Vatcher endorsing the signing of Antonio Lindback on a 7.00 point average to please Poole Speedway, I doubt very much that Arnie would. The signing of Lindback is within the rules, just like the other signing of Tai for Wolves. Are you suggesting that the SCB should have appointed a guy(from outside the circle) who would have stopped a legal move and exercised his power regardless of the rules. That rather suggests that democracy and law-abiding in Speedway can be ignored by an individual. Surely that suggestion smacks at hypocrisy given the complaints of the BSPA, and rather blows the argument of an independent body or individual to oversee all matters in Speedway. You are really trying to endorse with the new guy what quite a number of posters on here regularly complain about the BSPA/SCB. The only thing is I suspect Arnie wouldn't have lasted 5 minutes whereas Neil Vatcher will. And if he tried to break the rules himself he shouldn't last 5 minutes either. Me too. I have only had the opportunity to speak at length with Dean on one occasion but found it an education. Lindback's signing is legal only if someone agrees that it can be reduced by about a point from when he last rode here, albeit some time ago. There are few who would doubt that he is a better rider now. He's currently 8th in the GP series, which makes him one of the world's best riders. Of those GP riders competing in the EL, only Harris has a lower average (and half the GP points) and the average of those riders averages is well above 8. Lindback is being assessed as the same standard as Cook, Thorssell, Buczkowski & Nilsson, riders who have never qualified for a permanent GP place. The signing is legal, but only because it is based upon a ruling that is wholly unjustifiable. As I say, I suspect Neil Vatcher would endorse that decision, Arnie would not (indeed, he has actually said it is wrong). I think Arnie would last 5 minutes. That's not because he would break rules, but because he would insist that BSPA & SCB stick to them. 13 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
THE DEAN MACHINE 4,740 Posted September 16, 2016 (edited) It's more than just cause it's leagle ,(Christ I'm banging my head against a brick wall )the issue in all this is how it's gets to this point , he achieves an average and that should be the end of it no ifs no buts it's an average and that's what he comes in at but in speedway that doesn't matter anymore cause he hasn't rode here for years , so what? That's his average , no grey areas that's it , the whole system is flawed and open to abuse , it's pathetic and that's what needs to be addressed and that will never happen while the same old faces and their sympathisers self rule , can't anybody within speedway see what all this crap is doing to the credibility of speedway ? I will enlighten you , it's killing it, I like Neil , he is a good man and he is exactly the person that the SCB "want" Edited September 16, 2016 by THE DEAN MACHINE 7 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mad Potter 2 109 Posted September 16, 2016 Wasn't Richard Hall told he would have to ride on his 2004 conference average, when he wanted to race in the National League earlier this year? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wessex Wanderer 148 Posted September 16, 2016 Good appointment. Great knowledge of Speedway and one who really cares about the sport, not just one team or just his own position. Congratulations Neil. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sidney the robin 4,735 Posted September 16, 2016 (edited) A good man Neil like him alot respect him he has done a great job with the youth set up.But he is not right for this job british speedway is dying a slow death. Why did AJ come in on a 9.05 average yet Lindback comes in on a 7 point average.? Edited September 16, 2016 by Sidney the robin 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bigcatdiary 3,165 Posted September 16, 2016 (edited) A good man Neil like him alot respect him he has done a great job with the youth set up.But he is not right for this job british speedway is dying a slow death. Why did AJ come in on a 9.05 average yet Lindback comes in on a 7 point average.? It will be interesting to see if anything changes within the SCB going forward but unfortunately the BSPA just continue to make one unbelievable decision after another. Who on earth made the decision to assess one of the current best riders in the world from 7.94 to 7.00, when their own rules set a precedent of 8.00. Good television it will undoubtably be with sky rubbing it's hands but it's quite amazing that the sport continues to make itself look completely incompetent yet again and adds fuel to the fire of its many critics. Edited September 16, 2016 by bigcatdiary 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sidney the robin 4,735 Posted September 17, 2016 It will be interesting to see if anything changes within the SCB going forward but unfortunately the BSPA just continue to make one unbelievable decision after another. Who on earth made the decision to assess one of the current best riders in the world from 7.94 to 7.00, when their own rules set a precedent of 8.00. Good television it will undoubtably be with sky rubbing it's hands but it's quite amazing that the sport continues to make itself look completely incompetent yet again and adds fuel to the fire of its many critics. The Richard Hall decision a man trying to make a living for himself and the Judgement of Lindback's average how can the sport be taken seriously.Ford i dont blame him he has done nothing wrong at all it is the rules in place that should be scrapped and start again with a blank page. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Agrotron 955 Posted September 17, 2016 Nice one Neil Vatcher got a lot of time for Neil. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lord Skid 425 Posted September 17, 2016 He'll probably downgrade him to a 6 pointer. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Halifaxtiger 5,318 Posted September 18, 2016 It's more than just cause it's leagle ,(Christ I'm banging my head against a brick wall )the issue in all this is how it's gets to this point , he achieves an average and that should be the end of it no ifs no buts it's an average and that's what he comes in at but in speedway that doesn't matter anymore cause he hasn't rode here for years , so what? That's his average , no grey areas that's it , the whole system is flawed and open to abuse , it's pathetic and that's what needs to be addressed and that will never happen while the same old faces and their sympathisers self rule , can't anybody within speedway see what all this crap is doing to the credibility of speedway ? I will enlighten you , it's killing it, I like Neil , he is a good man and he is exactly the person that the SCB "want" I can understand an average reduction for a rider who has been out of speedway for a considerable time for whatever reason. But for a rider who has continued to compete at the highest level just because he hasn't ridden in the EL ? No chance. It will be interesting to see if anything changes within the SCB going forward but unfortunately the BSPA just continue to make one unbelievable decision after another. Who on earth made the decision to assess one of the current best riders in the world from 7.94 to 7.00, when their own rules set a precedent of 8.00. Good television it will undoubtably be with sky rubbing it's hands but it's quite amazing that the sport continues to make itself look completely incompetent yet again and adds fuel to the fire of its many critics. That's one of the real problems, because no-one ever puts a name to the decision maker. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tsunami 10,219 Posted September 18, 2016 (edited) I can understand an average reduction for a rider who has been out of speedway for a considerable time for whatever reason. But for a rider who has continued to compete at the highest level just because he hasn't ridden in the EL ? No chance. That's one of the real problems, because no-one ever puts a name to the decision maker. But at the end of the day, Tai or Lindback averages has got sod all to do with the fine appointment of Neil Vacher to his new position. Indeed, noone seems to be against his appointment, and acknowledge his considerable involvement from the tools to senior appointments and now Chief Officer. Instead we are discussing issues that had nowt to do with him. Oh Dear. Edited September 18, 2016 by Tsunami Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
f-s-p 832 Posted September 19, 2016 It's more than just cause it's leagle ,(Christ I'm banging my head against a brick wall )the issue in all this is how it's gets to this point , he achieves an average and that should be the end of it no ifs no buts it's an average and that's what he comes in at but in speedway that doesn't matter anymore cause he hasn't rode here for years , so what? That's his average , no grey areas that's it , the whole system is flawed and open to abuse , it's pathetic and that's what needs to be addressed and that will never happen while the same old faces and their sympathisers self rule , can't anybody within speedway see what all this crap is doing to the credibility of speedway ? I will enlighten you , it's killing it, I like Neil , he is a good man and he is exactly the person that the SCB "want"In Sweden your avg is erased after two years of not riding. Back to assessed after that. I was actually going to apply, but it's a sidejob so had no chance of making it work. So did not apply. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
THE DEAN MACHINE 4,740 Posted September 22, 2016 Maybe the speedway star could give Jim McGregor a chance to tell his side and why he turned the job down , might be worth a read Share this post Link to post Share on other sites