BurntFaceMan 413 Posted November 9, 2016 Where has this been confirmed too?? Any more gossip on chris? Chris out because even if he scored a maximum every meeting, he still couldn't attain his average. Jack in. http://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/sport/14876988.Speedway__Ford_rules_Holder_out_of_Pirates__team_building_plans/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MrMungo 708 Posted November 9, 2016 Chris out because even if he scored a maximum every meeting, he still couldn't attain his average. Jack in. http://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/sport/14876988.Speedway__Ford_rules_Holder_out_of_Pirates__team_building_plans/ He has a 10.5 (ish) average in relative terms, hardly unachievable. Certainly achievable if he brings his GP form into the country. Sounds like Ford thinks strength in depth is the route to go, and that's why Holder has been shown the door. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Woz01 3,589 Posted November 9, 2016 (edited) "Sadly, because of the new rules, it's clear to see that even if he were to score a 12-point maximum every meeting, effectively we would be giving away half a point in our team-building structure." What a joke of a sport. When will the promoters ever learn? Can't believe Matt Ford is that naive. Whatever 7 riders he picks most will not maintain their average. I think it's a mistake from him not having Holder at one. Edited November 9, 2016 by woz01 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Starman2006 2,354 Posted November 9, 2016 Can't believe Matt Ford is that naive. Whatever 7 riders he picks most will not maintain their average. I think it's a mistake from him not having Holder at one. Matt signs the riders. How often is he wrong.. Count the league titles.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
foreverblue 6,093 Posted November 9, 2016 I think they are taking a bigger chance with young Holder than they would have with Ellis You haven't seen Jack holder ride then, he is going to be better than Ellis in my opinion. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Starman2006 2,354 Posted November 9, 2016 I think they are taking a bigger chance with young Holder than they would have with Ellis I like Adam and felt he deserved another shot, but do you realise what would happen if we hadn't had drafted him in next season. And Oh, how good he could be with a clear run ? You haven't seen Jack holder ride then, he is going to be better than Ellis in my opinion. Just a bit... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
foreverblue 6,093 Posted November 9, 2016 Just thought you would care about him more than most him having been a Poole rider in 2016, obviously not! Not at all, Ford has CHOSEN NOT TO INCLUDE CHRIS in his team. He isn't a Poole rider, he rode for Poole in one season, he is a Lakeside rider and still is their asset. Ford makes his decision on having riders who have the most chance of improving their average. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Game On 1,117 Posted November 9, 2016 Matt signs the riders. How often is he wrong.. Count the league titles.. Last season 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SCB 0 Posted November 9, 2016 Ford is right, if you sign a 12.5 rider you are 100% guaranteed his average will drop. Yet if you sign riders on 2-10 there is at least some chance they will maintain or even increase averages. Why start KNOWING you going to lose points? At first I thought it made sense to get two big names and see their average drop but it seems the point limit will change once a team gets new averages so that doesn't make sense. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BurntFaceMan 413 Posted November 9, 2016 Can't believe Matt Ford is that naive. Whatever 7 riders he picks most will not maintain their average. I think it's a mistake from him not having Holder at one. I don't think he is naive at all... his record speaks for itself. I think he's realised that he can only accommodate riders who have the potential to massively improve their score. Other riders are shown the door. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lisa-colette 6,024 Posted November 9, 2016 Can't believe Matt Ford is that naive. Whatever 7 riders he picks most will not maintain their average. I think it's a mistake from him not having Holder at one.No guarantee Chris starting well, it took over half the season to get going last year, if that happened again then we would lose a lot of meetings. I'm sure Matt had a team down that included Chris, he obviously didn't think it was worth it. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kingbee 510 Posted November 9, 2016 (edited) Matt signs the riders. How often is he wrong.. Count the league titles.. Yes but he's always had his own way at the agm this time they stiched him up Edited November 9, 2016 by kingbee Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BurntFaceMan 413 Posted November 9, 2016 Ford is right, if you sign a 12.5 rider you are 100% guaranteed his average will drop. Yet if you sign riders on 2-10 there is at least some chance they will maintain or even increase averages. Why start KNOWING you going to lose points? At first I thought it made sense to get two big names and see their average drop but it seems the point limit will change once a team gets new averages so that doesn't make sense. Worst AGM yet. Cannot believe what they've done to top flight speedway. I understand that some clubs are struggling to pay the bills but that just highlights the fact that the product needs to be improved, not diluted! I understand that some fans do not care about the calibre of the rider and are simply happy to pay for any form of speedway, but I know that many (including the thousands that have already abandoned the sport) want to see the very best riders in the world, not a league where a team cannot include one decent rider without impeding themselves before the season has even started. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gavan 5,049 Posted November 9, 2016 im confused by people saying Holder couldnt maintain his average! Its the same across the board! ALL elite league riders have had an average increase and premier league averages come across Could King and Cook as 2 examples maintain their averages?? 90% of riders will lose up to 2 points minimum on their averages so surely its relative. Poole have got Newman on a very good average and to be fair Jack Holders is good to. Missed a trick not signing Chris to help his brother. Holder snr Holder jnr Ellis Newman Kurtz Leaves roughly 8.5 for 2 other riders or take Kurtz out have a 9 pointer and then a 4 and 3 pointer. Holder, 9 pointer, Ellis or Jack would be a strong enough heat leader trio. They would get near enough 30 points a meeting minimum. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Starman2006 2,354 Posted November 9, 2016 Yes but he's always had his own way at the agm Does he, not sure he does.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
