TheScotsman 2,482 Posted December 30, 2016 Post saved. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JackAlexander Bestow 0 Posted December 30, 2016 Post saved. LOL wait and see Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
scotchopper 312 Posted December 30, 2016 (edited) In a real world, and we were staying in the EU, it would probably classed as restrictive practice. However the nation has voted to leave the EU, that alone will probably blow employment rules out of the water. The way the BSPA is set up is essentially a private club, and it's membership have to obey the club rules laid down, in other words they are a rule to themselves, and can generally do as they wish, excluding any normal employment rules, as they have done and are doing. The only control set is on immigration where a visitor to the UK must obey Visa rules set down by the State, which cannot be overruled by the private club. That's what football thought and then we had Bosman, sports are no different to any other employers and have to meet employment law. speedway is a little different in terms of the riders essentially being self employed but if someone was willing to take the bspa to court for these restrictions on averages and number of british riders etc I am pretty sure they would win, very unlikely as it would be too expensive. Some will change when we come out of EU but not that much. Might actually make it easier for aussies as they are currently screwed compared to Europeans. Edited December 30, 2016 by scotchopper Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
balderdash&piffle 720 Posted December 30, 2016 That's what football thought and then we had Bosman, sports are no different to any other employers and have to meet employment law. speedway is a little different in terms of the riders essentially being self employed but if someone was willing to take the bspa to court for these restrictions on averages and number of british riders etc I am pretty sure they would win, very unlikely as it would be too expensive. Some will change when we come out of EU but not that much. Might actually make it easier for aussies as they are currently screwed compared to Europeans. Don't see why an Australian should be favoured over any other immigrant from without the EU, it is probable that the Mae woman will have to come to an agreement with the EU to allow the UK to trade in the Single Market and the Customs union. However if we Brexit completely, and do not come to an agreement over access in the EU, then everyone outside the UK and it's Dominions ( Gibralter etc. etc.). All will be subject to normal visa rules, including all EU countries, which would surely be a bigger headache for speedway than losing a few under performing Aussies. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
New era Panthers 2,055 Posted December 30, 2016 Control the wage structure, and heavily fine promotions who abuse it. Big big changes still needed, if they play on tinkering at the edges, you, me or anyone else will not have speedway before long. Control the wage structure , you're having a laugh , there are so many ways this could be abused, signing on bonus , cash in hand payments , hire vans availability or free lodgings and workshops and whatever else promoters can think of without breaking the pay structure. All promoters would know the rule and would also know how to get round it and I suspect they all would do this to get what they wanted provided the resources where there without being detected Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
snapper 190 Posted December 30, 2016 Good luck to the lad, apparently Jye Etheridge has told Josh that Edinburgh is a great club to sign for, he will be given plenty of time to develop, he won't be put under any pressure to score points, in Sam Masters a great captain and fellow country man who will be behind him 100% . Lol Is this the same Jye Etheridge that the Monarchs slated in the national press as being "The worst ever Monarch" aye welcome to the club mate 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lioness 1,449 Posted December 30, 2016 Why should the employment status in Speedway be any different from other jobs or sports? Given that your suggestion would further reduce the availability of potential signings, you would probably end up with the "favoured few" demanding financial rewards that do not reflect their actual ability. The clubs with the financial clout would get the best, and the rest would be scrambling to sign overpriced wobblers. We don't often agree but Cyclone has it spot on here. It already happens to a certain extent, how many posts are made accusing clubs of throwing silly money at riders when they are enticed from one club to another? Fair enough you are trying to come up with a solution balderdash&piffle which is more than I can do but I honestly think your idea would exacerbate the problem rather than help it as you'd be restricting supply and increasing demand Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ekimba 319 Posted December 30, 2016 Is this the same Jye Etheridge that the Monarchs slated in the national press as being "The worst ever Monarch" aye welcome to the club mate Take it you don't do irony, the lol is a giveaway :-) 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Endeavour 681 Posted December 30, 2016 If your favoured Speedway team finds a loophole in rules they are astute. If another team does it they are bending rules. Will Mitchell Davey ever reach a level to ride for team GB or Australia for that matter? Not likely. How many of the number 7s will? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fromafar 10,337 Posted December 30, 2016 Control the wage structure , you're having a laugh , there are so many ways this could be abused, signing on bonus , cash in hand payments , hire vans availability or free lodgings and workshops and whatever else promoters can think of without breaking the pay structure. All promoters would know the rule and would also know how to get round it and I suspect they all would do this to get what they wanted provided the resources where there without being detectedThat was exactly what happened in the Mid /80's. When they tied to introduce wage freeze on points money,promoters just abused it to get one/up on each other. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
proud panther 1,504 Posted December 30, 2016 Regarding Edinburgh's chances of success next season, there are doubts that some riders will improve or maintain their averages. However, most teams have the same problem in my opinion. If the new Aussie turns out ok, they have another rider to add to their asset base. Would rather have him than a 5 point journeyman, who has no chance of improving. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KIRKYLANE 534 Posted December 30, 2016 Mark Riss on a 4 is an absolute steal IF Pickering can do a decent job then this team is better than last year. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv 10,695 Posted December 30, 2016 Mark Riss on a 4 is an absolute steal IF Pickering can do a decent job then this team is better than last year. and if so proves why any non Brit shouldve been back on no less than 5. Unfortunately enough teams wanted to keep sub 5 non Brits to vote through the change.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cyclone 943 Posted December 30, 2016 (edited) and if so proves why any non Brit shouldve been back on no less than 5. Unfortunately enough teams wanted to keep sub 5 non Brits to vote through the change.... . Mark Riss's real average was 3.27 so he will still be penalised by starting the 2017 Season with an assessed higher average, namely 4.00 Compare this to Dan Bewley whose final real average was 4.00 and who will benefit from a further 2.5% reduction for being a less experienced British newcomer. No problem with Dan's reduced team building average, but I would consider him to be more of an "absolute steal" than Mark. Don't see the logic of your argument and IMO it comes across as "Little Englander's" prejudice towards "Johnny Foreigner" Edited December 30, 2016 by cyclone 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv 10,695 Posted December 31, 2016 Don't see the logic of your argument and IMO it comes across as "Little Englander's" prejudice towards "Johnny Foreigner" 'there are none so blind as those that will not see' or words to that effect. It isnt about Mark Riss, Campton, Gappmaier, Wallner or any other individual rider. Many get too hung up about an individual favourite from their own team rather than the bigger picture. Its about setting a standard at 5 which seemed a sensible level only to alter the next year to suit rather than stick to an agreed principle. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
