Speedway World Cup 2017

[RPNY 608]

The World cup Events 1 & 2 have generally been 2 horse race but still thrown up some great racing over the years. Just a shame (racing not result wise!) that this year In Event 1, the Aussies were off form, Brits road above themselves, USA were Greg-less, Czechs were awful & track not much better...

[iris123 20,972]

Big problems for the future really.With the inevitable decline of Denmark and Sweden i fear the SWC will turn into a one horse race and then there will be only the minor places of interest.Similar to what happens in Ice Speedway,where the Russians have too much strength in depth for anyone else.

Plus i certainly imagine a knock on effect at the Danish GP next year where yet another 1,000 or so could be lost on this years attendance

[RPNY 608]

Yesterday was a TERRIBLE result for the Danes. However I wouldnt say it's crisis just yet. Plenty of riders to choose from, way more than GB in truth. Just a bad patch. They will be back. Individually and as a team.

I think Alternating the pairs and and SWC is a good idea. Keep it all a little fresher and give a few more opportunities for other nations to win gold!

[iris123 20,972]

Yesterday was a TERRIBLE result for the Danes. However I wouldnt say it's crisis just yet. Plenty of riders to choose from, way more than GB in truth. Just a bad patch. They will be back. Individually and as a team.

I think Alternating the pairs and and SWC is a good idea. Keep it all a little fresher and give a few more opportunities for other nations to win gold!

Not only talking about yesterday.This is an ongoing problem.Two years in a row now they haven't made the final.Long time ago when that has happened.Add to that though the terrible performances in the GPs where it looks like no Danish rider will get into the top 8.Haven't looked,but has that ever happened before?I would say all the riders on show last night plus Kildemand etc have all hit or have passed their peak.Then the lack of great new talent,and i think they need at least two to come in over the next 2 years to replace some of the others,it just doesn't look good.Not for Denmark or speedway as a whole having lost the US as one of the main teams,we can hardly lose one or two more main challengers in Denmark and Sweden

 

I was wondering whether it was worth going back to the old 3 rider teams to try and make up for the lack of strength in depth....

[ouch 1,191]

If you want to stop the poles run the final at Lakeside, Wolves or Eastbourne.

[RPNY 608]

Not only talking about yesterday.This is an ongoing problem.Two years in a row now they haven't made the final.Long time ago when that has happened.Add to that though the terrible performances in the GPs where it looks like no Danish rider will get into the top 8.Haven't looked,but has that ever happened before?I would say all the riders on show last night plus Kildemand etc have all hit or have passed their peak.Then the lack of great new talent,and i think they need at least two to come in over the next 2 years to replace some of the others,it just doesn't look good.Not for Denmark or speedway as a whole having lost the US as one of the main teams,we can hardly lose one or two more main challengers in Denmark and Sweden

 

I was wondering whether it was worth going back to the old 3 rider teams to try and make up for the lack of strength in depth....

Well they already went from 5 to 4, think it would be a shame to go even lower just to stop Poland winning. Stop staging the thing in Poland would be a start...

I understand what you are saying, but I still dont think its a crisis for the Danes just yet.

Edited July 5, 2017 by RPNYC

[topaz325 1,855]

With 'supporters' like this, who needs enemies? Why can't we get behind our team and not write them off even before they go on track? Yes, two teams were unacceptably weak on Saturday (thanks Greg, going to give up your place at Cardiff to one of the kids as well?) but even so to drop just seven points when racing Australia deserves some respect!

 

Like I said before, there's being 'realistic' and there's being ridiculously negative. How do you know we couldn't have made the same impact as Latvia or an abject Denmark at least tonight?

 

Yes we might well finish stone last on Saturday but why oh why do we have to trash a little bit of success when it comes along and write the team off before they even get a chance?

 

Still, if anything would motivate them it's seeing the the abject lack of appreciation here for their efforts on Saturday.

 

i support team GB just stating my opinion about the competition of last nights meeting.... thought it was a forum of opinions .. maybe not?

[SCB 0]

People saying yesterday is worrying for the Danes forget that in 2013 Sweden finished 4th in event 1 but then won the title in 2015!

Edited July 5, 2017 by SCB

[iris123 20,972]

People saying yesterday is worrying for the Danes forget that in 2013 they finished 4th in event 1 but then won the title in 2015!

In 2013 they finished just a point off the title i think

[tarkens 119]

People saying yesterday is worrying for the Danes forget that in 2013 they finished 4th in event 1 but then won the title in 2015!

 

what are you on about?

 

2012 - Gold

2013 - Silver

2014 - Gold

2015 - Silver

[uk_martin 1,606]

On to Event 3 then. Got a feeling that Russia will have enough to hold off Australia, with Latvia 3rd and the USA making up the numbers.

 

Then to the final - Poland v GB v Sweden v Russia. OR to look at it another way, 4 x Extraliga riders v 0 x Extraliga riders v 3 x Extraliga riders v 2 x Extraliga riders and all on an Extgraliga track that the British riders will probably only ever have seen on old YouTube clips. Sorry to have to predict this but I suspect that Poland will hold the edge over Russia who will do well to pip Sweden, mainly down to the "Emil at home factor", with GB making up the numbers. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to be proven wrong, but that's how I predict things panning out.

[Seymour Dix 1,996]

Easier said than done, off top of my head these are all needed...

 

- A decent track shape conducive for racing

- A well prepared track

- Teams with riders of similar levels?

 

Not something easy to create across all tracks and teams.

 

To be fair, change can take time.

 

A decent track shape is difficult, if a Track is purpose built like Belle Vue, then its possible, however if a track has to go into an existing stadium with other sports it can be tricky

Edited July 5, 2017 by Seymour Dix

[New Science 1,059]

In cricket the ICC have admitted that they rig the draw for limited overs cricket tournaments , for commercial reasons England must meet Australia and India must play Pakistan. I,m not saying the F.I.M do this but for the last 5 years ( except 2016 final when the final was in Manchester either event 1 or 2 has been on a British track usually Kings Lynn and has featured GB, Australia and USA in the same round every time . coincidence ? The draw does seem to be weighted in GB's favour most years

The difference in quality between the 2 events this time was noticeable again.

Hopefully on Saturday Team GB give a good account of themselves , personally I wouldn't have minded seeing them in the race off, doing what we have struggled to do in the past, negotiate and dominate a race off away from home , against similar standard opposition .. GB have only come through the race off once away from home .

Should we come a distance last I'm not sure what we will have learnt , yes we are ok at home, all of our SGP World Cup medals for that matter have come on home soil.

We need to improve away from GB to become a force, lets hope for the best on Saturday

Edited July 5, 2017 by New Science

[SCB 0]

In 2013 they finished just a point off the title i think

 

 

 

what are you on about?

 

2012 - Gold

2013 - Silver

2014 - Gold

2015 - Silver

they = Sweden

[HenryW 1,178]

Not only talking about yesterday.This is an ongoing problem.Two years in a row now they haven't made the final.Long time ago when that has happened.Add to that though the terrible performances in the GPs where it looks like no Danish rider will get into the top 8.Haven't looked,but has that ever happened before?I would say all the riders on show last night plus Kildemand etc have all hit or have passed their peak.Then the lack of great new talent,and i think they need at least two to come in over the next 2 years to replace some of the others,it just doesn't look good.Not for Denmark or speedway as a whole having lost the US as one of the main teams,we can hardly lose one or two more main challengers in Denmark and Sweden

 

I was wondering whether it was worth going back to the old 3 rider teams to try and make up for the lack of strength in depth....

There is still time for the likes of Kildemand, Bech, Jensen, Madsen, etc to find a slightly higher level than what they are just now and they aren't far from being top line international riders at the moment.

 

As a squad on paper they still look stronger than most of the others, although a good bit behind Poland at the moment.

 

You really do have to question the management team when they have failed to get anything like the expected results in the SWC in the last couple of years since taking charge.