INCOGNITO 357 Posted December 11, 2016 Most catering outlets are either run by the owners staff such as Ladbrokes at Monmore Green or to contract catering companies as it is at Belle Vue and the Speedway have nothing to do with it and get no money from these outlets. Catering stands such as burger bars etc can be charged a pitch rate to be there which can be organised through the club. This would be a fixed fee and part of the agreement with the contractors running the in house bars and restaurants . The speedway gets the money through the turnstiles only in many cases and this along with sponsorship deals have to pay the running costs, rent and wages which is why you hear them sometimes say we need a crowd of 1,300 to break even and not we need to sell 4,100 burgers Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
B.V 72 1,054 Posted December 11, 2016 If new promoters are anounced i would think that the council will have vetted their plans down to the last detail.They can't afford another cock up and must be confident that they can pay their way and keep the club running for many years.The new promoters must think the same or why would they be willing to invest money into the club. If this is the case i as i fan do not give a monkeys who gets what money from where as long as the new promotion can generate enougth money to keep the club running.I will read any details with interest but in reality the most important thing for me is the survival of the club and to watch speedway for years to come. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hyderd 1,216 Posted December 11, 2016 If new promoters are anounced i would think that the council will have vetted their plans down to the last detail.They can't afford another cock up and must be confident that they can pay their way and keep the club running for many years.The new promoters must think the same or why would they be willing to invest money into the club. If this is the case i as i fan do not give a monkeys who gets what money from where as long as the new promotion can generate enougth money to keep the club running.I will read any details with interest but in reality the most important thing for me is the survival of the club and to watch speedway for years to come. Agree with everything you say, for me though the worrying thing is, it's not just Belle Vue who are in financial trouble. The product needs to attract more people through the turnstiles, will the latest changes do that?, only time will tell, but we don't have a lot of that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Daniel Smith 5,645 Posted December 11, 2016 Agree with everything you say, for me though the worrying thing is, it's not just Belle Vue who are in financial trouble. The product needs to attract more people through the turnstiles, will the latest changes do that?, only time will tell, but we don't have a lot of that. Nope, promoter's seem to look at making money from existing customer bases hence why it's continually dumbing down the product to try and make a profit. Promoting the sport is nonexistent, totally reliant on word of mouth and as long as the sport continues with that approach it'll just keep bumble along totally invisible to 95% of the UK population. Who's in the 1-7's is irrelevant to supporters, the product isn't exciting the current customer and the turnover of new is minimal. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Woz01 3,589 Posted December 12, 2016 (edited) Those are the t&c's for every renting promotion. Food & drink always goes to the venue owners It would go to the lease holders and to the catering firm that supplies the food and beverages. The council may indeed own the actual site but as they are not running the facility they won't get the money that comes from events there. Edited December 12, 2016 by woz01 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
woodenspoon 157 Posted December 12, 2016 If there is an agreement with new promoters I do not see it being under what we assume to have been between Gordon & Morton & the Council with BV buying the stadium. I would think it will be an agreement for simply the hire of the stadium and the new promotion just paying a rent, say for 1 year and then see how this turns out, and whether it was economically viable to run speedway at the NSS. The Council will also want cast iron guarantees that any rent will be paid on time. How much revenue can be made from bar & food outlets, and who it will go to is debatable, they could end up like the dog track apart from takings from the car park. BV could also do with attracting other sponsorship, unfortunately in these times that is easier to say than get. It also has not been made clear yet as to whether or not the South stand and its facilities will be completed as per originally planned. Whoever does take over will need deep pockets. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skidder1 7,632 Posted December 12, 2016 If new promoters are anounced i would think that the council will have vetted their plans down to the last detail.They can't afford another cock up and must be confident that they can pay their way and keep the club running for many years.The new promoters must think the same or why would they be willing to invest money into the club. If this is the case i as i fan do not give a monkeys who gets what money from where as long as the new promotion can generate enougth money to keep the club running.I will read any details with interest but in reality the most important thing for me is the survival of the club and to watch speedway for years to come. I would think that the new promotion will include an existing promoter of some standing plus someone with a previous BV connection. 'Guarantees' as far as running speedway only will be made by the BSPA I guess. The council would then need to appoint specialist venue operators to maximise the return from all the other 'non-speedway' facilities eg Conferences, small concerts, hospitality and other sports etc. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
foamfence 2,917 Posted December 12, 2016 SpeedwayGB @SpeedwayGB 1h1 hour ago BELLE VUE | More discussions to take place this week to secure the Aces' future. Still on track for completion. 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hyderd 1,216 Posted December 12, 2016 Nope, promoter's seem to look at making money from existing customer bases hence why it's continually dumbing down the product to try and make a profit. Promoting the sport is nonexistent, totally reliant on word of mouth and as long as the sport continues with that approach it'll just keep bumble along totally invisible to 95% of the UK population. Who's in the 1-7's is irrelevant to supporters, the product isn't exciting the current customer and the turnover of new is minimal. Agree with all you say except the bit I have put in bold, the racing at Belle Vue is out of this world, the only boring meeting was the semi final of the WTC, that was solely due to bad weather. If our new promoters promote properly to the vast Manchester audience, I fail to see how we can't get regular gates of 3k Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phil The Ace 2,853 Posted December 12, 2016 SpeedwayGB @SpeedwayGB 1h1 hour ago BELLE VUE | More discussions to take place this week to secure the Aces' future. Still on track for completion. To me that sounds less promising than last week. And Leicester now sounds more promising Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
coldace 110 Posted December 12, 2016 Yes Phil agree with you. However we are all so jumpy right now that anything read is being dissected and meaning taken from it. Not pleasant this, just hope someone would make a definitive announcement. Murder Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phil The Ace 2,853 Posted December 12, 2016 Surely we can pay the debts of by selling our rider assets. Bewley got to be worth 15k plus Richie Worrall was got for 18k probably now worth a little less at say 15k Stevie I say about 18k Hougaard about 15k Fricke is world u21 champ. Got him for 28k so I'd say he's about 40k now. That should pay a lot of the debt off surely. Then we start again loading riders and build the asset base again. But then I don't know how much riders are worth so these are just guesstimates Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
foamfence 2,917 Posted December 12, 2016 Surely we can pay the debts of by selling our rider assets. Bewley got to be worth 15k plus Richie Worrall was got for 18k probably now worth a little less at say 15k Stevie I say about 18k Hougaard about 15k Fricke is world u21 champ. Got him for 28k so I'd say he's about 40k now. That should pay a lot of the debt off surely. Then we start again loading riders and build the asset base again. But then I don't know how much riders are worth so these are just guesstimates I think you'd struggle to find buyers, especially now that there are so few places left to fill and most clubs are in a fragile state financially. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theblueboy 960 Posted December 12, 2016 Surely we can pay the debts of by selling our rider assets. Bewley got to be worth 15k plus Richie Worrall was got for 18k probably now worth a little less at say 15k Stevie I say about 18k Hougaard about 15k Fricke is world u21 champ. Got him for 28k so I'd say he's about 40k now. That should pay a lot of the debt off surely. Then we start again loading riders and build the asset base again. But then I don't know how much riders are worth so these are just guesstimates I always wondered what happened to Johnny Ball... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
poolebolton 464 Posted December 12, 2016 Surely we can pay the debts of by selling our rider assets. Bewley got to be worth 15k plus Richie Worrall was got for 18k probably now worth a little less at say 15k Stevie I say about 18k Hougaard about 15k Fricke is world u21 champ. Got him for 28k so I'd say he's about 40k now. That should pay a lot of the debt off surely. Then we start again loading riders and build the asset base again. But then I don't know how much riders are worth so these are just guesstimates Everyone will want Fricke the rest are all over priced though. Bewley for 15k ahahahha. More like 5 still. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
