Danny Connor 351 Posted January 7, 2017 Its about who the Council want wasn't it? thats how I've read it in the star and from various statements. If Pairman got the sense that it was unlikely to be him and his consortium maybe thats why he has pulled out. Does any body know for certain how many interested parties there are in the running for this. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SPD444 112 Posted January 7, 2017 Hope this is true. If a rent can be set that is fair and gives the opportunity of the speedway clubs survival that would be good news. What I don't understand, however, is why the BSPA would want Mark Hennessy? What experience has this person got at speedway promotion for the BSPA to want him as their preferred option? A genuine question. Maybe Mr Chapman could address that on his "live" Facebook appearance on the 20th, but don't hold your breath. I bet he only answers questions that put him in a good light. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ouch 1,191 Posted January 7, 2017 It shouldn't matter that Mark has no promoting experience as there'll be plenty of help available. I wouldn't be surprised if kind hearted Buster took an active role in running the show. He'll probably have his own office. He's making up for the fact he as Chairman he never once visited The NSS last year. Is there anyway we can convince him that if he "saves" Coventry he can have a bit of that pie too? He'd be on it like a shot. THINK that the prospective new promoters have plenty of money but their deal with MCC will be very different to that imposed on DG and CM last year. I believe that Mark Hennessy fell out with David Gordon some time ago but has been keen to get involved again and appears to be the preferred option for the BSPA. Its increasingly looks like the new promoters will effectively rent the facility on a meeting by meeting basis or perhaps an agreed rent for the season but nothing like the £300,000 facing DG and CM and that MCC will take over control of the stadium and be responsible for other events staged there. £300,000! The business plan was based on crowds of 1800 which was achieved so for this to happen..... "New East Manchester had forwarded the Belle Vue business plan to top business planners KPMG who had given it their approval". something must have changed at a later date. Did the council renegade on the original deal or did The Aces ask for the increase? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PHILIPRISING 7,298 Posted January 7, 2017 ALL will be revealed in Speedway Star shortly but not until we are 100 per cent sure that speedway will continue at the NSS. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Daniel Smith 5,646 Posted January 7, 2017 I wasn't aware that Manchester City Council was in the business of running stadia. I thought their function was to provide services for their residents. And even if MCC did go into the stadium management business, I'm not entirely sure what kind of events they would be putting on. But PHILIPRISING is closer to the horse's mouth than most of us and he has stated that speedway will definitely be taking place at Belle Vue Arena in 2017, so we will just have to accept what he is saying and await good news in the not too distant future. Just so you're aware, Manchester City Council are still the owners of Manchester City FC's Etihad Stadium I believe but if not they were up to 2013. So they should know a thing or two about running stadiums and Belle Vue may be a good overflow alternative to any Manchester City FC business. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
John Scrutton 180 Posted January 7, 2017 Buster should just stick with Kings Lynn.He was not the one that got Leicester Belle Vue or Coventry into the mess that they are in it was the Promoters of those tracks fault. IF WHAT HE IS TRYING TO DO ISN'T WELCOME LET THEM SORT IT OUT. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WestGorton1884 621 Posted January 7, 2017 Considering the state of the sport in this country , i think its in everyones interest to make sure teams like Belle Vue , Coventry and Leicester carry on running . 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
uk_martin 1,606 Posted January 7, 2017 ALL will be revealed in Speedway Star shortly but not until we are 100 per cent sure that speedway will continue at the NSS. Worst case scenario, and speedway does not return to Belle Vue...then what? Does the story get buried? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ray c 2,299 Posted January 8, 2017 Buster should just stick with Kings Lynn.He was not the one that got Leicester Belle Vue or Coventry into the mess that they are in it was the Promoters of those tracks fault. IF WHAT HE IS TRYING TO DO ISN'T WELCOME LET THEM SORT IT OUT. no league then 6 teams not enough Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Little Thumper 528 Posted January 8, 2017 Just so you're aware, Manchester City Council are still the owners of Manchester City FC's Etihad Stadium I believe but if not they were up to 2013. So they should know a thing or two about running stadiums and Belle Vue may be a good overflow alternative to any Manchester City FC business. Owning a building and running a business centred on that building are completely different things. Manchester City Council build a venue and then lease it to a viable tenant thereby recovering their investment over a period of time, whilst at the same time providing some viable benefit to their inhabitants. They are not in the entertainment or sports leisure business where they would be in direct competition with commercial concerns in the same field. But PHILIPRISING has indicted that this policy may well have changed so we look forward to hearing further news. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Little Thumper 528 Posted January 8, 2017 (edited) I'm sure any event the council will be 'responsible' for will be on the same basis as speedway. Unless you think the council will be running the speedway I'm not sure what your point is? Belle Vue would have been sorted well before Christmas had Mr prompt and decisive not got involved. PHILIPRISING suggested that the speedway operator could just rent the venue for speedway events and the City Council would operate the venue for the rest of the time. I was merely trying to ascertain how PR thought that this might work, as clearly it is not within the City Council's remit to to commercially promote events where this is already catered for by the private sector and where there is no discernible benefit for the council tax payers of the area. Does he, for example, think that the model adopted for the Velodrome might be followed in as much as the running of the venue is placed in the hands of a specially established Trust? I feel sure that PHILIPRISING will be able to provide us with a little more information here in order to clarify the situation as we approach the announcement of the new promoters and management. Edited January 8, 2017 by Little Thumper Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Halifaxtiger 5,318 Posted January 8, 2017 Worst case scenario, and speedway does not return to Belle Vue...then what? Does the story get buried? I think Phil is absolutely right to postpone publication - even indefinitely - if he believes that in revealing what he knows it may endanger - even to a slight degree - the possibility of Belle Vue Speedway being in existence. I'd very much like to know the full story but not at the cost of losing the team. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Agrotron 955 Posted January 8, 2017 Will the Speedway Star print why Pairman pulled out? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skidder1 7,632 Posted January 8, 2017 Owning a building and running a business centred on that building are completely different things. Manchester City Council build a venue and then lease it to a viable tenant thereby recovering their investment over a period of time, whilst at the same time providing some viable benefit to their inhabitants. They are not in the entertainment or sports leisure business where they would be in direct competition with commercial concerns in the same field. But PHILIPRISING has indicted that this policy may well have changed so we look forward to hearing further news. There are many many examples of Councils funding, owning and running all kinds of venues around the UK - they simply employ specialist staff in those roles!! (I was one of those specialist staff for the last 16 years of my working life, responsible for 2 venues with capacities of up to 10,000 depending on the type of event!!) Admittedly with Councils continually struggling for local funding there are also examples of where they have outsourced the management of the venue to a specialist 3rd party - even a 'Charitable trust' in some cases - which should limit the Council's risk whilst retaining the fabric of the building. Council's generally don't 'promote' events - they hire out the facility to an event promoter, be it for a concert, a conference, exhibition or indeed a sports fixture eg speedway. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PHILIPRISING 7,298 Posted January 8, 2017 Will the Speedway Star print why Pairman pulled out? IF he is prepared to say why ... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
