Steve Shovlar 10,439 Posted November 3, 2016 (edited) I expect Steve got told by someone rather than actually speaking to him. It's amazing he never said something before today because he doesn't usually keep a secret too long I know an awful lot of things but if its told in confidence it stays there. I did mention Kennett to Rye weeks ago on one of the threads. Wasn't told in confidence just in passing. Here it is. http://www.speedway-forum.co.uk/forums/index.php?showtopic=82888&page=2&do=findComment&comment=2865598 Edited November 3, 2016 by Steve Shovlar Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ben91 1,743 Posted November 3, 2016 I know an awful lot of things but if its told in confidence it stays there. I did mention Kennett to Rye weeks ago on one of the threads. Wasn't told in confidence just in passing. Here it is. http://www.speedway-forum.co.uk/forums/index.php?showtopic=82888&page=2&do=findComment&comment=2865598 He's a Rye asset and said if doubling up wasn't allowed in 2017 he'd be back at Rye so it wouldn't be a surprise. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Terry 1,319 Posted November 3, 2016 I wonder if Kev Smith Mark Fiala and Kelvin Marlarkey will make comebacks ... Who is this Mark Fiala? Karl's brother? Not forgetting 'Mr Rye House' Bobby Garrad. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rayleigh 362 Posted November 4, 2016 WARNING TO THE RYE TEAM PLANNERS Last year top and second string Elite riders both had false averages. The reason being the race format if you were a heat leader you faced fellow heat leaders nearly all evening, if you were a second string you faced second string or reserves nearly all evening. The net result through up these examples: Matej Zagar8.06 Hans Andersen WARNING TO THE RYE HOUSE TEAM PLANNERS Last year top and second string Elite riders both had false averages. The reason being the race format was if you were a heat leader you faced fellow heat leaders nearly all evening, if you were a second string you faced second string or reserves nearly all evening. The net result are some strange averages such as these examples: Matej Zagar 8.06 Hans Andersen 8.04 Chris Harris 7.77 Patrick Hougaard 6.44 -------- 30.31 Sam Masters 7.76 Kyle Newman 7.51 Steve Worrall 7.11 Adam Ellis 6.93 -------- 29.31 Now remember the race format is changing as I understand to the Premier League format, in short an easier race card for heat leaders (thus undervalued average) and a tougher race card for second strings (thus overvalued average) So the question is, are the two teams above similar in strength or not? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trees 2,814 Posted November 4, 2016 But any riders who also rode in the PL will use their PL averages in SGBPREM (what a mouthful!) .... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
superguest 194 Posted November 4, 2016 WARNING TO THE RYE TEAM PLANNERS Last year top and second string Elite riders both had false averages. The reason being the race format if you were a heat leader you faced fellow heat leaders nearly all evening, if you were a second string you faced second string or reserves nearly all evening. The net result through up these examples: Matej Zagar8.06 Hans Andersen WARNING TO THE RYE HOUSE TEAM PLANNERS Last year top and second string Elite riders both had false averages. The reason being the race format was if you were a heat leader you faced fellow heat leaders nearly all evening, if you were a second string you faced second string or reserves nearly all evening. The net result are some strange averages such as these examples: Matej Zagar 8.06 Hans Andersen 8.04 Chris Harris 7.77 Patrick Hougaard 6.44 -------- 30.31 Sam Masters 7.76 Kyle Newman 7.51 Steve Worrall 7.11 Adam Ellis 6.93 -------- 29.31 Now remember the race format is changing as I understand to the Premier League format, in short an easier race card for heat leaders (thus undervalued average) and a tougher race card for second strings (thus overvalued average) So the question is, are the two teams above similar in strength or not? As the top team will cost 4 times as much and be missing most Saturdays - I really hope no team try that kind of line up! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cityrebel 2,960 Posted November 4, 2016 Will rye still run on saturdays? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
liam 376 Posted November 4, 2016 I shall be coming to Rye now after what's happened to Lakeside. Never been before so quite looking forward to going. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ben91 1,743 Posted November 4, 2016 (edited) WARNING TO THE RYE TEAM PLANNERS Last year top and second string Elite riders both had false averages. The reason being the race format if you were a heat leader you faced fellow heat leaders nearly all evening, if you were a second string you faced second string or reserves nearly all evening. The net result through up these examples: Matej Zagar8.06 Hans Andersen WARNING TO THE RYE HOUSE TEAM PLANNERS Last year top and second string Elite riders both had false averages. The reason being the race format was if you were a heat leader you faced fellow heat leaders nearly all evening, if you were a second string you faced second string or reserves nearly all evening. The net result are some strange averages such as these examples: Matej Zagar 8.06 Hans Andersen 8.04 Chris Harris 7.77 Patrick Hougaard 6.44 -------- 30.31 Sam Masters 7.76 Kyle Newman 7.51 Steve Worrall 7.11 Adam Ellis 6.93 -------- 29.31 Now remember the race format is changing as I understand to the Premier League format, in short an easier race card for heat leaders (thus undervalued average) and a tougher race card for second strings (thus overvalued average) So the question is, are the two teams above similar in strength or not? Those averages aren't right for a start, EL only averages are x1.4. Zagar 10.48 Andersen 10.01 Harris 10.11 Hougaard 8.71 Total: 39.31 And riders with a PL average use their PL average: Masters 8.88 Newman 6.31 S. Worrall 8.51 Ellis 7.84 (EL conversion, no PL ave in 2016) Total: 31.54 For Ellis' sake I hope he is given a more realistic average as he is currently saddled with a high average due to not riding PL in 2016 and the race format formerly used in the EL. Those figures could change slightly when the final green sheets are released also. Edited November 4, 2016 by Ben91 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
waco 1,026 Posted November 4, 2016 This really looks tough on Ellis,but how can you change the rule for one rider..Are there any others effected in the same way ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Crazy robin 2,963 Posted November 4, 2016 Adam attained his average fair & square so should be on that average. The days of special averages need to be a thing of the past. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ben91 1,743 Posted November 4, 2016 This really looks tough on Ellis,but how can you change the rule for one rider..Are there any others effected in the same way ? Only Ellis as far as I can see. He has a PL average from 2014 but that would probably be unrealistically low. Adam attained his average fair & square so should be on that average. The days of special averages need to be a thing of the past. The EL averages since the fast track draft was introduced and the protected reserve heats that came with it have been a farce. So yes, he attained the average fair and square but it was the result of a stupid system. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gavan 5,049 Posted November 4, 2016 I wonder if Kev Smith Mark Fiala and Kelvin Marlarkey will make comebacks ... Im guessing Mark Fiala is Karl's brother and who is Kelvin Marlarkey?? I remember Kelvin Mullarkey though. I used to go Rye House in the early 80's. Bobby Garrard, Steve Naylor, Andy Hines, Marvyn Cox, Steve Bryenton, Kevin Bowen and then a young 16 year old Andrew Silver coming through. Also with the big hoo-hah with Jens Rasmussen being the first foreign rider allowed in the league. Does anyone remember an Aussie that rode there called Kerry Grey?? My uncle used to take a family to speedway and one of them who was 22 started dating Kerry and he turned up christmas day at my uncles place with her! Anyway i dont go Rye much these days (used to enjoy the Sunday afternoons over there) but i wish them every success in their new adventure Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cityrebel 2,960 Posted November 4, 2016 Im guessing Mark Fiala is Karl's brother and who is Kelvin Marlarkey?? I remember Kelvin Mullarkey though. I used to go Rye House in the early 80's. Bobby Garrard, Steve Naylor, Andy Hines, Marvyn Cox, Steve Bryenton, Kevin Bowen and then a young 16 year old Andrew Silver coming through. Also with the big hoo-hah with Jens Rasmussen being the first foreign rider allowed in the league. Does anyone remember an Aussie that rode there called Kerry Grey?? My uncle used to take a family to speedway and one of them who was 22 started dating Kerry and he turned up christmas day at my uncles place with her! Anyway i dont go Rye much these days (used to enjoy the Sunday afternoons over there) but i wish them every success in their new adventure andy fines!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Doctor... 1,478 Posted November 4, 2016 I shall be coming to Rye now after what's happened to Lakeside. Never been before so quite looking forward to going. Me too. Far simpler to get to than my previous local of Lakeside even from deep South London where i live. Wont miss the traffic shenanigans every week. Couple of quick trains too, so no problem going on public transport and having a beer or two after. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
