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Are We Seeing The Beginning Of The Demise Of The Labour Party

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8 hours ago, orion said:

It matters not . the bottom line is  jc stopped the tories  getting a overall majority .. at the time given the beating he was predicted to get it was  a massive result .

He definitely did better than I, and many others, expected.

The real question is what difference did his success in that election make?

None.

 

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Hopefully JC will disappear and retire as gracefully as he can. 

Any Government needs a decent and robust opposition to hold them to account, although the hapless Johnson demands otherwise. 

Starmer has done the right thing and will hopefully tackle Monentum, much in the same way that Kinnock got the better of Hatton and the militant tendency.. 

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37 minutes ago, YerRopes said:

Hopefully JC will disappear and retire as gracefully as he can. 

Any Government needs a decent and robust opposition to hold them to account, although the hapless Johnson demands otherwise. 

Starmer has done the right thing and will hopefully tackle Monentum, much in the same way that Kinnock got the better of Hatton and the militant tendency.. 

DIDN'T get him to No 10 though ...

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1 hour ago, Crumpet said:

Was anyone asked ? :D

 

HAVE never taken part in an opinion poll and don't know anyone who has ... nor do they know a anyone who has!

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9 minutes ago, PHILIPRISING said:

HAVE never taken part in an opinion poll and don't know anyone who has ... nor do they know a anyone who has!

From that result it looks like it was taken in front of the dole office. :P

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On 10/29/2020 at 5:06 PM, orion said:

Not really … He stooped May winning a overall majority .. Unlike many before who got crushed like Micheal Howard IDS ETC

Michael Howard put on 32 seats in 2005 , Corbyn only put on 30 seats in 2017 but only actually took 13 of the. From the Tories. The Tories lost most of their 30  lost seats to minor parties.

Then he led Labour to its biggest defeat in 70 years. 

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4 hours ago, PHILIPRISING said:

HAVE never taken part in an opinion poll and don't know anyone who has ... nor do they know a anyone who has!

Who voted Starling Britain's best bank? Didn't know they existed until they started advertising.

 

 

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2 hours ago, E I Addio said:

Michael Howard put on 32 seats in 2005 , Corbyn only put on 30 seats in 2017 but only actually took 13 of the. From the Tories. The Tories lost most of their 30  lost seats to minor parties.

Then he led Labour to its biggest defeat in 70 years. 

Micheal Howard  won 166 seats and failed to stopped Labour winning a overall majority . JC won 262 stopping Tories winning  a Majority . 

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4 hours ago, orion said:

Micheal Howard  won 166 seats and failed to stopped Labour winning a overall majority . JC won 262 stopping Tories winning  a Majority . 

Howard actually won 198 seats up from a starting point of 166.  Corbyn started from a much higher starting point. The object is to win an election not simply to stop the other side getting a majority.  

As Wolfsbane said earlier , what actual difference did Corbyn effort in 2017 make ?  None. There’s more to it that winning elections though. Atlee only won one election then lost a thumping great majority next time round , but looking at his overall record he was in many people’s opinion the best, or second best leader of the last 100 years. It’s all matters of opinion but Corbyn led Labour to its biggest defeat in 70 years , left the scourge of anti- semitism hanging over it, had a lot of Labour MPs refusing to serve under him, had some needing Police protection e.g Luciana Berger completely split the party, and got himself suspended by his inept public comments. That’s a pretty abysmal record by any measure.

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Northern Labour MP's of long standing, in 'shoe in' Labour strongholds, were telling their Leadership directly what feedback they were being given on the doorsteps of their constituencies in the lead up to the last election..

ie. Labour isnt listening to them and Corbyn is a liability as leader..

Instead the Islington elite went into their echo chamber and sounded each other out and decided all was going tremendously well..

And it must have been as they had clear evidence that "Jezza went down a storm at Glasto" which must mean a clear election victory was coming..:rolleyes::D

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Keir Starmer has just said on radio that the night before the report came out he phoned Corbyn and told him there must be no denial, no going back, and no minimising the scale of the problem .  The report is no sooner made public than Corbyn comes out and says exactly what Starmer asked him not to do. Diane Abbott and John McDonnell leading the charge to get Corbyn reinstated. Reading between the lines it’s looking like a deliberately planned rebellion by Corbyn and his mates.

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30 minutes ago, E I Addio said:

Keir Starmer has just said on radio that the night before the report came out he phoned Corbyn and told him there must be no denial, no going back, and no minimising the scale of the problem .  The report is no sooner made public than Corbyn comes out and says exactly what Starmer asked him not to do. Diane Abbott and John McDonnell leading the charge to get Corbyn reinstated. Reading between the lines it’s looking like a deliberately planned rebellion by Corbyn and his mates.

Three good reasons why, as normally a Labour voter, I never voted for them at the last two Elections.

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2 hours ago, steve roberts said:

Three good reasons why, as normally a Labour voter, I never voted for them at the last two Elections.

Their meetings together must have been like watching a colour version of a 'Three Stooges' film..:D

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