E I Addio 15,845 Posted December 31, 2016 I see gustix still has no answers to back up his false claims. Be patient. As soon as he finds an answer somewhere he will cut and paste it immediately! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted December 31, 2016 In all, how many riders could miss out on a NL team place in the 2017 season? I make it a possible 37 according to the various previous comments in relation to this. Does any member have a crosscheck total please. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ben91 1,743 Posted December 31, 2016 Can perks ride in all 3 leagues? He has two teams already redcar and ryehouse. I heard he was giving NL a miss. I hope not, he's not ready to do just the top two divisions yet. As a Rye fan I'd like to see him have a NL berth so he can get some vital heat wins under his belt to keep confidence up, there are going to be times when points are going to be hard to come by in the Premiership and Championship for him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nathan Mole 13 Posted December 31, 2016 I would not be surprised if perks wasn't doing NL this season, plus you are all forgetting Shanes will be to busy with riding premiership, grasstrack and riding in the world longtrack champs Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
teaboy279 1,038 Posted December 31, 2016 Shanes has said his continental commitments will be the same as this year and that 2 leagues will not be a problem. I believe he had signed or agreed to sign for Kent until the points went down. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Islander15 1,065 Posted December 31, 2016 Shanes and Stoneman are probably the only riders in the league who are struggling to get a team place due to their average. Shanes' plans appear to have been messed up by Kent mostly, rather than the system, and hopefully Stoneman can get a ride at Lakeside. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
John Leslie 3,213 Posted December 31, 2016 In all, how many riders could miss out on a NL team place in the 2017 season? I make it a possible 37 according to the various previous comments in relation to this. Does any member have a crosscheck total please. See, you're doing it again. With no logic whatsoever you're writing nonsense that makes no sense, and that you can't back up. Go on, give it a try. Tell us what on earth your nonsense comment is supposed to mean? There were 12 NL teams i.e. 84 places last year. There are 12 NL teams i.e. 84 places this year. So what exactly is "riders missing out" supposed to mean? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TurnTwo 317 Posted December 31, 2016 I think what he means is, with reduced point limit and last ears riders avg increasing it's unlikely many teams will be able to fit in said riders just looking from Eastbourne avg last year Start Ellis 10.14 Cottham 4.70 Perks 7.14 Wood 5.9 Knight 6 Powell 3 Harris 3 39.88 Finish Ellis 10.98 Cottham4.7 Perks 8.25 Wood 7.62 Knight 8.53 Powell 4.05 Harris 3.95 48.08 That's an increase of 9 points so top riders have to make way e.g. Adam ellis of 10 points and another eg perks of 8 points giving the team 9 points to fit two 4.5 riders in to fit the new system Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
John Leslie 3,213 Posted December 31, 2016 I think what he means is.... Good of you to try to make sense of his factually inaccurate nonsense, but of course we all know that because there are 6 points in every race, the mean team average for any team in any league is 42. (i.e. 6 pts divided by 4 riders in a race x 7 riders in a team x 4 rides in an average) So any league wishing to maintain the exact same riders for the following season needs a limit of roughly 42. However we know that the NL doesn't maintain the same riders every yeat, it develops new riders to move upwards, and so several riders like Ellis, Clegg, Morris, Carr, Branford etc need to be factored out as they move up a league, and new blood comes in at the bottom end. Take out (say) the 5 riders above who become ineligible as they move up on approx 9pt+ averages and replace them with 5 newcomers on 3.00 averages and that's a total reduction of 30 points, or approx 2.5 pts per team (12 teams). A 42 point average less these 2.5pts brings us to approx 39.5 , and bearing in mind others who also may drop out (retiring Jake Knight etc) we can see that 39 is about the right limit to keep the league operating at it's maximum strength and to allow the NL to keep doing the excellent job of developing riders while providing high quality racing. 10 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
poolebolton 464 Posted January 1, 2017 Shanes to Plymouth. The Poole Training ground. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brianbuck 928 Posted January 1, 2017 (edited) This list just highlights the sheer folly of allowing riders to ride for more than one team. The riders are griping that they can only make a living if they ride for two (or three) teams but they should stop for a minute, and consider that by doing this they are depriving 40-odd of their fellow riders of the chance of earning any money at all. Edited January 1, 2017 by BBuck 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike0310 660 Posted January 1, 2017 This list just highlights the sheer folly of allowing riders to ride for more than one team. The riders are griping that they can only make a living if they ride for two (or three) teams but they should stop for a minute, and consider that by doing this they are depriving 40-odd of their fellow riders of the chance of earning any money at all.i totally see where your coming from but I do hope we sign Shanes at Plymouth. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
waiheke1 4,295 Posted January 1, 2017 In all, how many riders could miss out on a NL team place in the 2017 season? I make it a possible 37 according to the various previous comments in relation to this. Does any member have a crosscheck total please.I make it over 1.8 million footballers in the uk will miss out on a premier league team place. Does this reflect the downward spiral of English football? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted January 1, 2017 (edited) I make it over 1.8 million footballers in the uk will miss out on a premier league team place. Does this reflect the downward spiral of English football? It's only January 1 and I seem to have found this year's first cuckoo! What an off-the-thread comment this is by waiheaces1. All the same, it's from 'one of the usual anti-gustix clan" so I guess I cannot assume anything else. "...they seek me here, they seek me there. they seek me on the BSF everywhere..." Edited January 1, 2017 by Guest Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
John Leslie 3,213 Posted January 1, 2017 I make it over 1.8 million footballers in the uk will miss out on a premier league team place. Does this reflect the downward spiral of English football? Exactly. We know that 12 NL teams will give permanent employment to 84 riders. It can't be any more or less than 84 at any one time. We've also shown mathematically that a 39 (ish) point limit is the best to ensure that the 84 places go to the 84 best NL standard riders. There's nothing in dispute there...basically nothing else to discuss. Anyone who can't grasp the basic facts and babbles on about 35 riders missing out (whilst being unable to name these riders nor explain in what way they are missing out) must be a worry for society. It's like the demented old woman in the high street shouting at the pigeons. Everyone knows it's a barking mad thing to do, no one knows why she does it, but we're all just glad it's not us. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
