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Matt ford talks about this in tonights forum at the stadium which I filmd and can be watched here.

https://www.periscope.tv/w/a5hSKjFtTUVQZVdxTm1RR2J8MW1ueGVWbU9xdlpLWM97KgL61pwX5DK46oADFHD9SHzwzXS-C2AQJNBH5NDo

 

Matt talks about Poland at about 34 mins in.

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Fully understand Matt Fords stance on this issue, especially as Jack is listed as a standby reserve in Poland so has no known fixtures at present and unlikely to get many meetings unless they suffer injuries. However in Poland they expect riders to turn up for practice sessions and media appearances and failing to do so can result in losing their contracts.

 

For most riders these contracts make up half of their income through the season as the wages for 14 Polish meetings is about the same as 30 meetings in Britain plus in Poland there are more lucrative sponsors. Also the new TV deal in Poland is considerably bigger than the one British Speedway has and therefore clubs need commitment from their riders.

 

If this was the other way around, I'm sure Britain would be asking the same commitment so while it may be a problem for tracks here and pressure on the riders, it's understandable why this clubs in Poland are doing what they are doing. One thing that is in Matt Fords statement however rings true and little is pointed out about it. Jack Holder along with Doyle, Holder and Masters all get visas to ride here and this gives them the base to ride elsewhere.

 

Australian riders have been the backbone of British Speedway from day one and if being in Britain is so important to them riding in Europe then maybe next year something needs putting in place with the authorities to ensure Britain gets rights as the main employer of these riders otherwise they would need to get themselves based in Sweden or Poland.

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Wolves have signed there's I thought I read somewhere

Certain I read on the GP site that Swindon and Kings Lynn have signed theirs for Doyle and Holder too.

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A point Matt Ford made tonight. How many Australian have Poland signed and brought over and nurtured from the start of their careers? Answer is none.

 

The expect Britain to bring them over, train them up then cherry pick the best and now expect these riders to ditch the UK. Matt was having none of it. He said when he refused to sign, Turuns top guy phoned him up trying a different tac. Matt won't sign full stop. He said Poland have compulsory practice days and riders would miss a meeting in the UK just because a rider was needed for practice on a whim from his Polish club.

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Wonder what Jack Holder thinks of the situation? Both Poole and Panthers and standing firm and rightly so. Especially considering Panthers race at home on Sundays.

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Wonder what Jack Holder thinks of the situation? Both Poole and Panthers and standing firm and rightly so. Especially considering Panthers race at home on Sundays.

 

Jack Holder gave the thumbs down on Twitter so he's not best pleased

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Jack Holder gave the thumbs down on Twitter so he's not best pleased

Pleased to see some clubs have some backbone, this is clearly wrong and needs standing up to.

 

As for Holder junior does he want to race every week or not, the point made about Poland not bringing over riders and training them is a good one.

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Do the Australian riders get their Visas because they are based in Britain. YES

 

So what would happen if Britain said that these people are not working for us and going missing. Would they lose their visas and if they did then Poland or Sweden wouldn't be able to use them just as we wouldn't. If Australian and other countries want to get permits to race here or in Poland then they need to be based where their priorities are.

 

Doyle and Chris Holder would without doubt apply to Poland to be based there while the rest will stay in Britain until they reach that level which could happen soon with Fricke and Masters improving each year.

 

Difficult situation and blame can't be put on the riders in many ways as they are simply trying to earn a living but the way it's going any rider that rides in the top league in Poland won't be riding here or vica versa

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Pleased to see some clubs have some backbone, this is clearly wrong and needs standing up to.

As for Holder junior does he want to race every week or not, the point made about Poland not bringing over riders and training them is a good one.

Another point brought up tonight is Kyle Newman having around 80 meetings lined up in the uk this season. He might get half a dozen in Poland, and as a minor rider won't be paid similar rates to the top guys, plus its actually difficult to get the actual money originally offered.

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Holder tweeted

 

All English clubs complaining about Poland... I bet if they were offered 10x more for the same job they wouldn't be...

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Holder tweeted

 

All English clubs complaining about Poland... I bet if they were offered 10x more for the same job they wouldn't be...

Then ALL Aussies can start their careers in Poland...

 

Learn the lingo...

 

Let their Polish team sort their visas...

 

Not get paid the full whack season in season out, its easy to offer 10 times the going rate when you have no way (or indeed inclination) of ever paying it...

 

Oh hang on, they won't get offered the chance will they as hundreds of Polish kids will want that opportunity to progress...

 

Well done Matt Ford...

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I agree with Ford's stand. However, it is much easier to do it with a rider like Jack Holder, who may not even get a ride in Poland and who is likely, at this point in his career, to earn far more in the UK, than it would be, for example, with Chris Holder, who is likely to ride fir his team in every Polish fixture and earn considerably more there. Again, at the moment, Chris is a much bigger draw card here than Jack and much more difficult to replace.

 

If we are going to make a stand I think we should have agreed it before team building began and not signed riders who were going to be affected by the Polish restriction nor any Polish riders.

 

 

If they pay him.

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Then ALL Aussies can start their careers in Poland...

 

Learn the lingo...

 

Let their Polish team sort their visas...

 

Not get paid the full whack season in season out, its easy to offer 10 times the going rate when you have no way (or indeed inclination) of ever paying it...

 

Oh hang on, they won't get offered the chance will they as hundreds of Polish kids will want that opportunity to progress...

 

Well done Matt Ford...

 

If as you claim, the Poles continually fail to pay the full amount to the non Polish riders, can you explain why the likes of Chris Holder, Doyle, Woffinden, Lindgren,Pedersen, Iversen, etc. keep returning there?

 

It's not as if the same stories of riders experiencing problems getting fully paid by their UK promotions are unknown and I'm sure you being a Belle Vue fan, will be aware of this ;)

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If as you claim, the Poles continually fail to pay the full amount to the non Polish riders, can you explain why the likes of Chris Holder, Doyle, Woffinden, Lindgren,Pedersen, Iversen, etc. keep returning there?

 

It's not as if the same stories of riders experiencing problems getting fully paid by their UK promotions are unknown and I'm sure you being a Belle Vue fan, will be aware of this ;)

Three reasons maybe..?

 

One, the riders you mention are all top riders so maybe their presence in the team is more vital so they do get paid up and lesser riders lose out accordingly to fund it?

 

Or two..

 

Just like in many countries, they don't get paid everything they are owed but getting £400k out of a £500k contract is still considerably more than they could get over here?

 

And three, again like in other countries, that £100k missing would often be promised to be added on to the following seasons money so maybe that also keeps them tied in?

 

Bottom line is, Poland don't give any non Poles a career kick start but then cherry pick the ones they feel are up to the standards they want...

 

How many Aussies would have made it to the highest level without the NL and 2nd Tier grounding and experience so many have received riding four or more times a week over here?. Some will have ridden more competitive laps in a month over here than they would do in a whole season back in Oz..

 

If Poland's money is so good. Let them go and ride over there from the start of their career and then their place in Britain can be taken by a young British lad..

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