Speedy swindon pete 509 Posted July 18, 2017 That's the beauty of a technical track, having to knock off the gas and reapply at different times...much better than the flat out tracks that absolutely anyone can ride!! Hmm, new National Speedway stadium?? famous for its flat out boring racing.... Leszno, never seen a decent race there.... Yeah, i'd much rather watch riders wobble round Beaumont Park.... 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hyabb17 1,077 Posted July 18, 2017 I'll add Torun to that......one of, if not the best race track in modern day speedway!! Hmm, new National Speedway stadium?? famous for its flat out boring racing.... Leszno, never seen a decent race there.... Yeah, i'd much rather watch riders wobble round Beaumont Park.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sharpandroid 88 Posted July 18, 2017 The wolves track has tight corners too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BWitcher 12,453 Posted July 18, 2017 Hmm, new National Speedway stadium?? famous for its flat out boring racing.... Leszno, never seen a decent race there.... Yeah, i'd much rather watch riders wobble round Beaumont Park.... Not sure that is the point he is making, although he hasn't made it well. What he is trying to say is more skill is required on more technical tracks. The NSS is heavily biased towards bike setup, it's pretty easy to ride. There are countless examples of that... BUT and it's a big but, that doesn't mean the racing is poor there, far from it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Speedy swindon pete 509 Posted July 18, 2017 (edited) Not sure that is the point he is making, although he hasn't made it well. What he is trying to say is more skill is required on more technical tracks. The NSS is heavily biased towards bike setup, it's pretty easy to ride. There are countless examples of that... BUT and it's a big but, that doesn't mean the racing is poor there, far from it. ...much better than the flat out tracks that absolutely anyone can ride!!! It's an odd statement, from a speedway fan, i'd say. Edited July 18, 2017 by Speedy swindon pete Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phil The Ace 2,860 Posted July 18, 2017 Gustrow,,,, now that is a technically superb flat out racing track. Best in the world. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BWitcher 12,453 Posted July 18, 2017 It's an odd statement, from a speedway fan, i'd say. Not necessarily. Some prefer to see the best riders win, not any old rider who happens to hit the right setup. I have some sympathy for that view, but I cannot deny the exciting racing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Speedy swindon pete 509 Posted July 18, 2017 There's plenty of evidence that the technical track produce great racing too, wolves and others being a good examples. Surely as a speedway fan through, you just want to see good close racing. whether its from a flat out polish track, or a pidly, tricky, British track. So saying you prefer one over the other is a slightly odd point. At a track that "anyone can ride" will probably mean you're more likely to get an even field in each race, rather than one or two track experts making all the moves. BP didn't disgrace its self last night by any means, i've said plenty of times I've seen far worse meetings (absolutely awful) at KL and Swindon. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheReturn 1,724 Posted July 18, 2017 The Return- Your comments about the track staff in Pawel situation are wholly unjustified if you had known facts. Pawel had buried and wrapped himself and bike deep into the deflated air fence actually ending up face first into the fence with head underneath the handlebars and leg stuck between seat and back mudguard. The track staff were having to hold the air fence back so the medics could treat him and for their protection as covering the red hot bike as space was tight and the bike was stuck in the fence behind and the riders leg had to be released from the bike without causing him further injury. It was such a good job that there was an air fence as could have been so much worse also pleased to see that fence did not lift and catch bike and rider as expected Fair enough then I take it back. Just looked like they were standing there looking at a stricken rider for a long time from the images shown. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevebrum 6,820 Posted July 18, 2017 Watched this meeting today, decent enough and the track changes have definitely helped the racing. 3 injuries in a meeting is extremely excessive and what a huge disappointment for Pawel. All racing incidents. You have to feel for Leicester tho who thoroughly should have earned something from the meeting. Heat 15 was class. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Speedwaycrazy 71 Posted July 18, 2017 It's an odd statement, from a speedway fan, i'd say. Not sure that is the point he is making, although he hasn't made it well. What he is trying to say is more skill is required on more technical tracks. The NSS is heavily biased towards bike setup, it's pretty easy to ride. There are countless examples of that... BUT and it's a big but, that doesn't mean the racing is poor there, far from it. I am glad you got the gist of what I am saying, the more skilful riders can adapt to the tight confines of Leicester / Wolves / Lakeside...but not everyone can and they can be shown up in a big way!...I just personally like this aspect of racing more than' gas and go'. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
martin_t 219 Posted July 18, 2017 Why did Musielek get double points when he beat no Leicester rider?18.14.3 The TR rider starts from the Starting Gate and Race points scored are doubled provided s/he finishes ahead of an Opponent. NB a non-finisher is an OpponentI would have said Newman was a non-starter and not a non-finisher Good shout!Unless it's already been mentioned,Leicester chose to put one rider out not two,I guess that makes a difference. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
foamfence 2,917 Posted July 18, 2017 I thought it strange that they should widen the track round the inside and then prepare it so no one can actually ride there, the first few heats you should be able to ride the inside until the dirt moves out but the riders were out wide from the off. OK if you like crashes and near misses, personally I don't. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dump that clutch 630 Posted July 18, 2017 http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/speedway/15417256.Robins_make_Musielak_switch_permanent/ 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gresham 928 Posted July 18, 2017 (edited) What I've noticed over recent years, is that riders have become accustomed to riding and racing their bikes in a certain way, and don't particularly adapt very well to different conditions and shapes like they used to be able to do in the past. I look at Riders like Doyle and Holder for example...who imo, are great riders when it suits them. But they get found out when it's not to their liking. Same can be said of other 'Greats' in other sports...some prefer certain race circuits in F1 and Moto GP. Some Tennis players prefer and play better on different surfaces. Certain Golfers like American 'Park like' courses but can't play in the wind and layout of a Links course etc. From witnessing last nights racing...it became apparent that there was one racing line. If you tried to go out wide and stay in the dirt the whole time, you got into a lot of trouble or hit traffic in front of you that was locking up and leaving no space. The only time it looked like someone had achieved it was when BWD almost took Reiss around the outside, only to get elbowed out the way lol For me, a great rider, is one that can ride in all conditions, on all shapes of tracks and can adapt. They might not become World Champions...but they are very often the unsung hero's of Speedway. Mark Loram, Chris Morton, Chris Harris come to mind. Even Andrew Silver....most never had the best set up's, but boy could they ride all tracks and conditions. For me...that makes a great ;-) Edited July 18, 2017 by Gresham 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
