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6 minutes ago, Gavan said:

agreed

All im saying is that although Wolves team isnt the best i think that it is the track that will cause the current Poole 1-7 the most problems. Over 2 legs its possible given the choice that Poole would choose Belle Vue or Leicester over Wolves

We always struggle at Wolves, the only times we haven't is when Wolves have had injuries. I think Wolves will struggle this season unless there are changes. Poole's team looks strong but if one of the Poles got injured early on we would struggle to replace the rider with a reasonable alternative whereas if that same rider got injured later in the season his average should have gone up enough to get a comparable rider.

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4 minutes ago, Arthur Fry said:

i think what he is saying is you have to go through lots of meetings to get to the final

To be fair he is rather demeaning Maugers achievements so shouldn’t be surprised he doesnt understand that 

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A point that hasn’t been mentioned is that Matt Ford has a very good rider waiting to come in, should one of the top four fail to ride to expectations in the first 4 weeks of the season.

with the team made up below the points limit, any of the top 4 can be replaced. I remember chatting to Davey Watt a few years ago and he said the pressure of riding league speedway in Poland was intense compared to elsewhere.

Looks like Matt is bringing Polish pressure to bear on the Poole riders.

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3 minutes ago, poole keith said:

havnt read all the posts but people arent seriously saying ward was a better rider than mauger are they ???

Some are. I haven't said as I've seen Darcy ride but not Mauger, so I would have no idea who was better! 

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3 minutes ago, poole keith said:

havnt read all the posts but people arent seriously saying ward was a better rider than mauger are they ???

over time yep

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35 minutes ago, Arthur Fry said:

who's to say wolves or even Poole will make the playoffs , but I certainly fancy this Poole team over 2 legs against anyone

im not disagreeing 

im just saying out of all the teams in the league i feel over 2 legs it would be Wolves who would cause Poole the most problems, simply because not one of the Poole riders goes very well there

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5 hours ago, Woz01 said:

Woryna only beat an opponent twice 9 rides scoring 8 altogether at Wolves. He got a heat win against Karlsson and Howarth and a 2nd beating Masters and Karlsson. 

Thanks. I wasn't 100% who it was he beat but decent standard riders for a newcomer. 

2 hours ago, foreverblue said:

Holder is always bad at Wolves but I think Josh G is ok there so who knows what to expect, just they all have to appreciate none of them will beat Thorsell.

I've seen Holder score double figures at Poole so he can ride the track well, but rarely does.

6 minutes ago, poole keith said:

havnt read all the posts but people arent seriously saying ward was a better rider than mauger are they ???

It's only really 1 poster. 

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7 minutes ago, Steve Shovlar said:

A point that hasn’t been mentioned is that Matt Ford has a very good rider waiting to come in, should one of the top four fail to ride to expectations in the first 4 weeks of the season.

with the team made up below the points limit, any of the top 4 can be replaced. I remember chatting to Davey Watt a few years ago and he said the pressure of riding league speedway in Poland was intense compared to elsewhere.

Looks like Matt is bringing Polish pressure to bear on the Poole riders.

Surely if you keep your 8 point rider (Kurtz) then you shouldn’t be allowed to sign a rider on a starting average over 8 (Pawlicki).  Are 3 ringers not enough for you?

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8 minutes ago, Arthur Fry said:

over time yep

Its an impossible argument. One did it, the other might have. Its not like comparing two 7 times world champs in a sport from different eras, which is hard enough.

Worth watching the documentary on youtube about Mauger.

 

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34 minutes ago, hagonshocker said:

To be fair he is rather demeaning Maugers achievements so shouldn’t be surprised he doesnt understand that 

You missed read what i said it was  harder in ivans day to become champlon that under the gp format 

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36 minutes ago, lisa-colette said:

Some are. I haven't said as I've seen Darcy ride but not Mauger, so I would have no idea who was better! 

No whats happening is people are mistaking talent for success.

Darcy Ward probably one of the top 3 most skilled riders ive ever seen. For me Mark Loram took some beating on that front, nobody got their wheels in line and made long straights like Mark could.

The thing is natural talent in most sports doesnt equate to winning as much as you should

Take snooker i think most people will say the most talented players are Ronnie, White and Alex Higgins, those 3 have 7 world titles between them

Davis, Hendry and John Higgins have 17

Mauger and Rickardsson and Nielsen probably not as naturally talented as Ward, Loram, Lee but will always be more successful

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WOULD personally place Peter Collins ahead of Mark Loram, great though he was, in every respect. Too easy to forget just how supremely talented PC was.

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49 minutes ago, PHILIPRISING said:

WOULD personally place Peter Collins ahead of Mark Loram, great though he was, in every respect. Too easy to forget just how supremely talented PC was.

Agree, but if we are talking natural talent lets not forget Gollob must be very close to the top of the pile!!!

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