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2 hours ago, Aces51 said:

We are talking here about how the BSPA define a Grand Prix rider for the purposes of determining their assessed average. Not how the FIM, BSI or anyone else might define It. There is nothing to stop the BSPA interpreting the term in a way which doesn't make the sport in this country look ridiculous. 

It is logical and sensible to argue that a rider who was eligible to ride in the GP and did ride in the majority of GP's, albeit by virtue of qualifying for a reserve berth and who finished higher than riders who qualified as one of the original 15 starters, should be given an assessed average no lower than those who finished below him in the rankings. 

If Kildemand had ridden in every GP and finished higher than say Zagar it would be totally illogical to assess Zagar, who has a more recent UK average,  at 9 but Kildemand on a lesser average. 

To be fair, it's actually not logical or sensible to consider him a GP rider. The only truly logical argument would be that the 15 qualified riders are considered GP riders and that anybody else is not considered a GP rider. It's only illogical when you start creating your own criteria as to how well or how often a substitute or wildcard has performed in order to be considered a GP rider.

The rules need to be straight forward. GP riders are GP riders. If we're going to start changing what we consider to be GP riders based on differing opinions as to who is performing at what level then we might as well throw away the rule book completely and just make up everyone's averages.

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1 hour ago, Starman2006 said:

Well done Steve, great footage. Im  sure Speedway-portal will also have there's up on our home site very soon.

Thanks Starman I couldn't be there today as I had a previous engagement prior to getting the track job. Looks like it held up well I will be there tomorrow afternoon to put back into shape.

Before the rain comes on Thursday night Friday morning.

Glyn

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7 minutes ago, stevebrum said:

Am I reading it right that Kildemand is a temporary replacement for Holder????

How on earth is that legal or even possible. 

Kildemand is by any definition a GP rider from 2017 by the amount of GP's he appeared in and all this nonsense that he was a reserve is total bull.

He is an assessed 9 like Woffy, Piotr and Zagar no question. He therefore cannot replace a rider on a 7. 

Anything else is a total disgrace if this is allowed to happen. How many ringers are Poole trying to assemble??

Huge embarrassment to the sport if this is sanctioned.:angry:

The UK has missed out on MAYBE seeing some of the stars comeback  to our shores with the  rule that they brought in.Thats ok if everybody abides by the rule but that has  not happened here, your club  Steve made a huge decision losing Freddie also having little chance of bringing Tai/Piotr in also.Swindon had to let the World Champion go ( Money maybe??)  Belle Vue could not consider bringing Zagar  back in either.  Iversen at King's Lynn also after a year out and is not in the GPS  he has  to come in on a 9  surely the other clubs object to this? If it is aloud to happen Poole definitely  will be bringing the sport into disrepute they certainly know morally it is wrong but my theory on sport on winning/losing if you cheat you really only cheat yourself and it tarnishes your phoney achievement.

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 Good to see Starman on his feet. Keep it up chap.  

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A GP rider is surely any rider that competed in the GPs last year (wildcards excluded). Reserves were given a number and could have qualified for 2018 if they managed to get enough points. Kildemand was competing for position.

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Regarding the bibs, I watched the video of the riders coming down the stairs with Middlo and Ford before sitting at the tables in front of the fans - they looked like a collection of riders and certainly didn't look like a team - very poor indeed from Poole (and Somerset)

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It's like we've been transported back to the nineties. Says it all that even some NL teams will be racing in team suits.

I assume my own club are going with racesuits, if not I'll be laying into them too.

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If Killer  is allowed to ride for Poole instead of C Holder it will show what M Fraud  and N Fiddleditch are. Dirty ! Cheating! Barstards.

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38 minutes ago, mrss said:

If Killer  is allowed to ride for Poole instead of C Holder it will show what M Fraud  and N Fiddleditch are. Dirty ! Cheating! Barstards.

Don't get upset it's only temporary if the bspa sanction it we will be back to full strength by the end of April :)

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47 minutes ago, mrss said:

If Killer  is allowed to ride for Poole instead of C Holder it will show what M Fraud  and N Fiddleditch are. Dirty ! Cheating! Barstards.

It's quite a clever ploy really, keep on rule bending and breaking until people either walk away and find something else to do or give up caring and therefore there are no dissenting voices left :) genius to be honest.

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I don't wish the personal issues Chris is having on anyone and perhaps he is better to publicly step back for X weeks rather than ride half hearted and damage his already fragile reputation. Killer being a temporary replacement is debatable at best for legality / morality BUT he is box office viewing and i know which rider id rather watch every time. You never know P.K may think harder about a full term return to the UK? Will actually make me check the fixture list now to see if there is a Poole away day where i can see him in action.

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Am I being thick here? Kildemand isn't a GP rider, so why would he be reassessed as a 9?

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11 minutes ago, Sings4Speedway said:

I don't wish the personal issues Chris is having on anyone and perhaps he is better to publicly step back for X weeks rather than ride half hearted and damage his already fragile reputation. Killer being a temporary replacement is debatable at best for legality / morality BUT he is box office viewing and i know which rider id rather watch every time. You never know P.K may think harder about a full term return to the UK? Will actually make me check the fixture list now to see if there is a Poole away day where i can see him in action.

Unusual way of looking at it. Kildemand makes Poole weaker in my opinion and the chance for teams to take advantage before CH returns. Would have CH any day over knock me off with a fart Kildemand.

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3 minutes ago, MattK said:

Am I being thick here? Kildemand isn't a GP rider, so why would he be reassessed as a 9?

Don’t use common sense Matt. It goes against the grain of having a pop at Poole. 

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